You do, but you should deny all of them. On 11/05/2017 09:50 PM, ATMunn wrote: > Wait so... what's actually going on here? Do I need to respond to the > CoEs or what? I'm very confused right now. > Also, ATTN Aris: NttPF. > > On 11/5/2017 8:54 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: >> I CoE your CoE. Rule 879 states that >> >> "Each Agoran Decision has a quorum. This is a number set when the >> decision is created, and thereafter cannot be changed. When a person >> initiates an Agoran Decision, that person SHALL state the quorum of >> that decision. However, incorrectly stating the quorum of a decision >> does not invalidate the initiation, nor does it actually change the >> quorum of the decision." >> >> Nowhere does it say that failing to announce quorum invalidates the >> decision. >> >> -Aris >> >> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> CoE: The quorum is not specified for the first decision. >>> >>> On 11/01/2017 09:15 AM, ATMunn wrote: >>>> On 10/31/2017 9:34 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >>>>> Sorry Munn, neither the initiation of the election nor the >>>>> distribution of the proposal worked. Rules say the following "the >>>>> ADoP >>>>> CAN and SHALL, _in the same message_: 1) If the election is >>>>> contested, >>>>> initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the election (the >>>>> poll). For this decision, the Vote Collector is the Assessor, the >>>>> valid options are the candidates for that election (including those >>>>> who become candidates after its initiation), and the voting method is >>>>> instant runoff. 2) Distribute all pendingCampaign Proposals >>>>> associated >>>>> with the election.". >>>>> >>>>> Gotta be in the same message. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:35 AM, ATMunn <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Ah, thanks for letting me know. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/31/2017 8:32 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (by the way ATMunn, I am uncommitted). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I vote for myself, and FOR my campaign proposal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I vote in favour. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 08:29 PM, ATMunn wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was too lazy to check for very long, sorry. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hereby distribute the below campaign proposal, initiating the >>>>>>>>> Agoran >>>>>>>>> Decision of whether to adopt it. For this decision, the vote >>>>>>>>> collector >>>>>>>>> is the Assessor, the quorum is [quorum] and the valid options are >>>>>>>>> FOR >>>>>>>>> and AGAINST (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are >>>>>>>>> conditionals). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Title: Referee Reform and Card Appealability >>>>>>>>> Author: V.J. Rada >>>>>>>>> Co-author(s): >>>>>>>>> Adoption Index: 2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Change the power of rule 2451, Executive Orders, to 2.0. In this >>>>>>>>> rule, >>>>>>>>> replace the text "The reason for the card MAY be any grievance >>>>>>>>> held by >>>>>>>>> the Prime Minister" with "Notwithstanding rule 2426, the >>>>>>>>> reason for >>>>>>>>> the card MAY be any grievance held by the Prime Minister" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In rule 2426, replace the text >>>>>>>>> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement. Any >>>>>>>>> attempt >>>>>>>>> to issue a Card, or any intent for a dependent action to issue a >>>>>>>>> Card, >>>>>>>>> is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include the following information: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The type of Card being issued, >>>>>>>>> The person to whom the Card is being issued (the bad sport), and >>>>>>>>> The specific action, inaction of the bad sport giving rise to the >>>>>>>>> Card >>>>>>>>> (the reason)." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> with the text >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement. Any >>>>>>>>> attempt >>>>>>>>> to issue a Card is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include (1) the >>>>>>>>> type of >>>>>>>>> card being issued, (2) the name of the person being issued the >>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>> (the bad sport), and (3) the specific reason for the issuance >>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>> card, or if it attempts to issue a person a card for an action or >>>>>>>>> inaction which e (more likely than not) did not commit, or if it >>>>>>>>> attempts to issue a card for an action or inaction which is not >>>>>>>>> prohibited by law, or if it attempts to issue a type of card >>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>> blatantly and obviously unsuited to the conduct which constitutes >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> reason for its issuance or to the person to which it is being >>>>>>>>> issued, >>>>>>>>> or if it is made more than 14 days after the conduct constituting >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> reason for the issuance of the card, or if it attempts to issue a >>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>> to a player who has already been issued a card for the conduct >>>>>>>>> constituting the reason for the issuance of the card." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also in rule 2426, remove the last paragraph. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In rule 2479 "Official Justice", remove the last paragraph. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also in rule 2479, replace the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir >>>>>>>>> Finger or impose Summary Judgment more than five total times per >>>>>>>>> week, >>>>>>>>> or more than twice per week at or on the same person." >>>>>>>>> with the text >>>>>>>>> "The Referee CANNOT impose Summary Judgement more than three >>>>>>>>> times a >>>>>>>>> week". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also in rule 2479, append, at the end of the first paragraph, the >>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>> "Summary Judgement is imposed on the Referee's own initiative, >>>>>>>>> and not >>>>>>>>> in response to any official proceeding". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In rule 2478, "Vigilante Justice", remove the last paragraph. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also in rule 2478, replace the text " - issuing a Card to the >>>>>>>>> pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the >>>>>>>>> allegation; or" >>>>>>>>> with the text >>>>>>>>> " - Imposing the Cold Hand of Justice, issuing a Card to the >>>>>>>>> pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the >>>>>>>>> allegation; or" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also in rule 2478, add below the dot-points and above the >>>>>>>>> paragraph >>>>>>>>> beginning "The Referee is by default", add a new paragraph which >>>>>>>>> reads >>>>>>>>> "There is no limit on how many times a player may impose the Cold >>>>>>>>> Hand >>>>>>>>> of Justice per week". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Add a new rule at power 1 entitled "Referee Accountability" >>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>> text "If the Referee attempts to issue three or more INEFFECTIVE >>>>>>>>> cards >>>>>>>>> in a week, any player CAN, with two support, issue a writ of >>>>>>>>> Impartial >>>>>>>>> Arbitration Restoration, immediately making the position of >>>>>>>>> Referee >>>>>>>>> vacant. When a writ of Impartial Arbitration Restoration is >>>>>>>>> issued, >>>>>>>>> the ADoP SHALL initiate an election for the Referee within a >>>>>>>>> timely >>>>>>>>> fashion" >>>>>>>>> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I vote PRESENT (for now, I might change my vote later once I have >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> to actually think about what this is saying) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 4:09 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ttttpf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:08 AM, VJ Rada <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg30296.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:07 AM, VJ Rada <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> COE: There was absolutely a flippin' campaign proposal from >>>>>>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:01 AM, ATMunn >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran >>>>>>>>>>>>> Decision to >>>>>>>>>>>>> select the winner of the Referee election. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the >>>>>>>>>>>>> valid >>>>>>>>>>>>> options are the candidates (PRESENT is always a valid vote, >>>>>>>>>>>>> as are >>>>>>>>>>>>> conditionals), and the voting method is instant runoff. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently, the candidates are VJ Rada and o. As the >>>>>>>>>>>>> election is >>>>>>>>>>>>> contested, any player still may become a candidate until the >>>>>>>>>>>>> poll >>>>>>>>>>>>> ends. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There were no campaign proposals. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I strongly encourage anyone voting on election-related >>>>>>>>>>>>> things to >>>>>>>>>>>>> post your votes in this thread from now on. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are all of the current votes (attn: PSS) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rulekeepor >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> o: {PSS, Alexis, Trigon} >>>>>>>>>>>>> ATMunn: {Alexis, PSS} >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexis: Conditional ({Alexis, Trigon} if Alexis publishes >>>>>>>>>>>>> a FLR >>>>>>>>>>>>> draft >>>>>>>>>>>>> to a forum before the end of the voting period; >>>>>>>>>>>>> {Trigon, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexis} >>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> VJ Rada: {Trigon} >>>>>>>>>>>>> PSS: {PSS, Alexis} >>>>>>>>>>>>> Aris: {Trigon, Alexis} >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Agronomist >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ATMunn: {o} >>>>>>>>>>>>> VJ Rada: PRESENT >>>>>>>>>>>>> PSS: PRESENT >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexis: {o, VJ Rada} >>>>>>>>>>>>> o: {o, VJ Rada} >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposals 7954-7956 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> |7954|7955|7956 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------+----+----+----+------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ATMunn |F |A |F | >>>>>>>>>>>>> VJ Rada|F |A |F | >>>>>>>>>>>>> PSS |F |A |F | >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexis |F |F |F | >>>>>>>>>>>>> o |F |A |F | >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------+----+----+----+------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> From V.J. Rada >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> From V.J. Rada >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh. Well then... >>>> >>>> As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to >>>> select the winner of the Referee election. >>>> >>>> For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the valid >>>> options are the candidates (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are >>>> conditionals), and the voting method is instant runoff. >>>> >>>> Currently, the candidates are VJ Rada and o. As the election is >>>> contested, any player still may become a candidate until the poll >>>> ends. >>>> >>>> I also hereby distribute the below campaign proposal, initiating the >>>> AgoranDecision of whether to adopt it. For this decision, the vote >>>> collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 6.0 and the valid options are >>>> FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are conditionals). >>>> >>>> Please vote again! >>>> >>>> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>> >>>> Title: Referee Reform and Card Appealability >>>> Author: V.J. Rada >>>> Co-author(s): >>>> Adoption Index: 2 >>>> >>>> >>>> Change the power of rule 2451, Executive Orders, to 2.0. In this rule, >>>> replace the text "The reason for the card MAY be any grievance held by >>>> the Prime Minister" with "Notwithstanding rule 2426, the reason for >>>> the card MAY be any grievance held by the Prime Minister" >>>> >>>> In rule 2426, replace the text >>>> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement. Any attempt >>>> to issue a Card, or any intent for a dependent action to issue a Card, >>>> is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include the following information: >>>> >>>> The type of Card being issued, >>>> The person to whom the Card is being issued (the bad sport), and >>>> The specific action, inaction of the bad sport giving rise to the Card >>>> (the reason)." >>>> >>>> with the text >>>> >>>> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement. Any attempt >>>> to issue a Card is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include (1) the type of >>>> card being issued, (2) the name of the person being issued the card >>>> (the bad sport), and (3) the specific reason for the issuance of the >>>> card, or if it attempts to issue a person a card for an action or >>>> inaction which e (more likely than not) did not commit, or if it >>>> attempts to issue a card for an action or inaction which is not >>>> prohibited by law, or if it attempts to issue a type of card which is >>>> blatantly and obviously unsuited to the conduct which constitutes the >>>> reason for its issuance or to the person to which it is being issued, >>>> or if it is made more than 14 days after the conduct constituting the >>>> reason for the issuance of the card, or if it attempts to issue a card >>>> to a player who has already been issued a card for the conduct >>>> constituting the reason for the issuance of the card." >>>> >>>> Also in rule 2426, remove the last paragraph. >>>> >>>> In rule 2479 "Official Justice", remove the last paragraph. >>>> >>>> Also in rule 2479, replace the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir >>>> Finger or impose Summary Judgment more than five total times per week, >>>> or more than twice per week at or on the same person." >>>> with the text >>>> "The Referee CANNOT impose Summary Judgement more than three times a >>>> week". >>>> >>>> Also in rule 2479, append, at the end of the first paragraph, the text >>>> "Summary Judgement is imposed on the Referee's own initiative, and not >>>> in response to any official proceeding". >>>> >>>> In rule 2478, "Vigilante Justice", remove the last paragraph. >>>> >>>> Also in rule 2478, replace the text " - issuing a Card to the >>>> pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the >>>> allegation; or" >>>> with the text >>>> " - Imposing the Cold Hand of Justice, issuing a Card to the >>>> pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the >>>> allegation; or" >>>> >>>> Also in rule 2478, add below the dot-points and above the paragraph >>>> beginning "The Referee is by default", add a new paragraph which reads >>>> "There is no limit on how many times a player may impose the Cold Hand >>>> of Justice per week". >>>> >>>> Add a new rule at power 1 entitled "Referee Accountability" with the >>>> text "If the Referee attempts to issue three or more INEFFECTIVE cards >>>> in a week, any player CAN, with two support, issue a writ of Impartial >>>> Arbitration Restoration, immediately making the position of Referee >>>> vacant. When a writ of Impartial Arbitration Restoration is issued, >>>> the ADoP SHALL initiate an election for the Referee within a timely >>>> fashion" >>>> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> ---- >>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>> >>>
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