The reason is probably that, because there are four lots and bids are retractable, it would take a ton of bids to get to the optimal point. I maintain that we should have everyone submit ONE secret bid to the auctioneer which is revealed publicly at week's end.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 2:39 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > All that said, I have no damn clue why the minimum winning bid on > a zombie with 40 coins isn't 39 coins. It's a no-brainer, and if we were > sitting around a board game table I don't doubt the bidding action > would push that high out of straight rational board game play. That > really defies my expectations. > > On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> We purposefully set out a year ago to have a sustainable long-term >> economy - from experience with our past "long-term" economies >> we let then run for 2-3 years before getting bored enough to scrap. >> >> The thing is, even real world economies tend towards concentrations >> of wealth - the principle of investment/encouragement to participate >> is the positive feedback loop (investments pay off), which make growth >> exponential, which means a leader will multiply eir advantage. >> >> I think the best quick fix here is limiting land auctions in some way >> that land ownership remains balanced by making it exponentially >> harder for the rich to buy basic land (though this concept is basic >> the technical implementation is tricky though). >> >> On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: >> > Not that I think blognomic is the best way of doing things. Unlike >> > blognomic, this game's main attraction is slow development, proposals >> > and legal interpretation: all of which are entirely equitable from the >> > outset. >> > >> > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Rebecca <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > (sorry for the spamming but) >> > > >> > > I think the old zombie system was (as Cuddlebeam would have it) >> > > gerontocratic, But ultimately, all Agoran systems are meant to be >> > > temporary and award non-scam-based victories based on economic or >> > > systems manipulation over a reasonably short period of time. In a >> > > period in which not all are playing optimally, but some are (such as >> > > G., who was the only person bothered to win auctions), we must not >> > > equalize the playing field by removing unfair game systems, but >> > > instead create doable victory conditions and allow players to reach >> > > them based on their not-inequitably-created advantage. >> > > >> > > An advantage of blognomic's systems (channeling CB a lot here) is that >> > > a new player can rarely win while joining mid-dynasty but is totally >> > > level in the next dynasty, usually weeks off. By seeking to remove >> > > older players' advantage, we disadvantage new players more >> > > permanently. >> > > >> > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Rebecca <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> That's nearly always objectively correct. >> > >> >> > >> Note also that because bids can be retracted, PSS could have and >> > >> should have retracted his bid here and bid 3, giving em (even more) >> > >> free money. Zombie auctions cannot be sustained like this, although >> > >> zombies themselves are interesting. >> > >> >> > >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Corona <liliumalbum.ag...@gmail.com> >> > >> wrote: >> > >>> That is a logical consequence of barring the players who are invested >> > >>> in >> > >>> the auctions enough to already have purchased a zombie in past >> > >>> auctions. >> > >>> >> > >>> You know, I think next time I will just get rid of my zombie before the >> > >>> auction just so that I can purchase a new one and acquire its riches. >> > >>> >> > >>> ~Corona >> > >>> >> > >>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Rebecca <edwardostra...@gmail.com> >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>>> The bids on zombie auctions are freakin' silly: I just bid 2 coins to >> > >>>> get 22 coins for free. Meanwhile people are bidding tens of coins on >> > >>>> land units with far less worth. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:11 PM, Rebecca <edwardostra...@gmail.com> >> > >>>> wrote: >> > >>>> > I pay Agora 2 coins for the purpose of flipping Ouri's master switch >> > >>>> > to myself and transfer each of Ouri's assets to me. >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 3:25 AM, Kerim Aydin >> > >>>> > <ke...@u.washington.edu> >> > >>>> wrote: >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> The zombie auction has ended. >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> PSS has won Kenyon for 16 Coins. >> > >>>> >> V.J. Rada has won Ouri for 2 Coins. >> > >>>> >> twg has won o for 1 Coin. >> > >>>> >> Trigon has won Quazie for 1 Coin. >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> Winners, please pay Agora your winning bid to flip the zombie's >> > >>>> >> master switch to you. >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> Bids (earliest first) >> > >>>> >> V.J. Rada 9x >> > >>>> >> twg 14x >> > >>>> >> V.J. Rada 15x >> > >>>> >> twg 1 >> > >>>> >> Trigon 1 >> > >>>> >> V.J. Rada 2 >> > >>>> >> PSS 16 >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > -- >> > >>>> > From V.J. Rada >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> -- >> > >>>> From V.J. Rada >> > >>>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> From V.J. Rada >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > From V.J. Rada >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > From V.J. Rada >> > >> >> > -- >From V.J. Rada
