I'm curious about the history around this sort of things. Like, what motivated making the concept of "Instruments" in the first place for Agora? It seems like such a weird thing.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 7:07 AM Madeline <j...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > At what point do we just power-4 "Persons CANNOT be Instruments"? > > On 2019-02-06 14:41, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Actually that Security thing is a big hole, there's lots of stuff that's > > secured, and R1688 applies the method here: > > > except as allowed by an Instrument > > > > If "allowed" is defined as something a person can do "naturally" (the > > way we > > treat, say, "agree"), then when the instrument is a natural person, e > > could > > just say "I allow, on an ongoing basis, changes to happen when I perform > > them by announcement" and the method is supplied. > > > > Also, R105 specifies that an instrument can make a rule change "as > > part of > > effect", though it would get pretty philosophical to figure out how a > > person's "effect" is triggered (at the very least, R105 limits it to a > > publicly-written process of at least 4 days). > > > > On 2/5/2019 6:05 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > >> It still matters what the rules say about the order of precedence, > >> because > >> the order of precedence is decided by the rules. If the rule defining > >> the > >> order of precedence was repealed, there wouldn't be an order of > >> precedence, > >> and power would have no effect in that regard. As it happens, the > >> power of > >> an instrument that isn’t a rule currently doesn’t have any effect > >> outside > >> secured things and changing entities with higher power. > >> > >> -Aris > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 5:59 PM D. Margaux <dmargaux...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> But if the person is high enough powered (say, power=5), should it > >>> matter > >>> what the rules say about order of precedence if the high-powered person > >>> overrules them? > >>> > >>> I suppose ultimately it comes down to what the Agoran community is > >>> willing > >>> to accept, rather than what the Rules or any particular person says. > >>> > >>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 8:49 PM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, D. Margaux wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I guess if a person had power >3, then the R2125 limitation > >>>>> wouldn’t be > >>> a barrier anymore, though. > >>>> > >>>> I don't see why. I don't think there's any provision for anything > >>>> other > >>> than a rule to take precedence over a rule, regardless of power. > >>>> > >>>> Greetings, > >>>> Ørjan. > >>> > >
