The fact that any player CAN perform The Ritual and the fact that someone SHALL do so do not logically or by common sense entail the fact that the responsibility to do so falls on any player. Until we know exactly who SHALL do so, punishing anyone is premature. Even assuming that the action isn’t required to perform itself, that still doesn’t tell us who exactly SHALL do it.
-Aris On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:45 PM Rebecca <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think that this decision is corrrect as a matter of text. The rules > should be amended to give one player the responsibility, and each player > the ability for the ritual. But as the rules stand, "failing to perform > [the ritual] violates" the rules and "any player CAN perform the ritual". I > think this decision provides the best reading of the text at issue. It also > accords with Agoran practice in that abstract actions are usually not > required to perform themselves. > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:07 AM Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I object. The rule says that The Ritual SHALL be performed; it doesn't > > specify who shall do the performing. In the absence of such a > > specification, holding any individual player responsible is clearly > > unreasonable, since their individual responsibility to perform The Ritual > > was never explicitly stated. > > > > -Aris > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 12:59 PM D Margaux <dmargaux...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Below is a proto-decision on the fingers pointed by Falsifian regarding > > > the Ritual; comments welcome. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > The key question seems to be whether a fine for failure to perform the > > > Ritual CAN be imposed on players consistently with Rule 2531. Under > Rule > > > 2531, among other things, a fine is INEFFECTIVE if > > > > > > > (2) it attempts to levy a fine on a person for an action or inaction > > > which e (more likely than not) did not commit; [or] > > > > > > > > (3) it attempts to levy a fine for an action or inaction which is not > > > prohibited by the rules . . . . > > > > > > In this case, I think a fine MUST be imposed because those requirements > > > (and the other requirements) are satisfied by the players’ failure to > > > perform the Ritual. > > > > > > Under Rule 2596 (the Ritual), “[a]ny player CAN perform the Ritual by > > > paying a fee of 7 coins,” and “[t]he Ritual MUST be performed at least > > once > > > in every Agoran week.” Under Rule 2152 (Mother, May I?), “MUST” means > > that > > > “[f]ailing to perform the described action violates the rule in > > question.” > > > > > > Last week, the “described action” (the Ritual) was not “performed.” > That > > > violation came to pass because each player declined to perform the > Ritual > > > last week. In my view, because “failing to perform the [Ritual]” at > > least > > > once last week “violates the rule in question,” that means that any > > player > > > or entity capable of performing the Ritual violated the Rule through > eir > > > “inaction” when it turned out that the Ritual was not performed on > time. > > > Falsifian pointed eir finger at players each of whom could have > performed > > > the Ritual. As a result, each such player violated the Rule. > > > > > > Ais523 suggests that the Ritual itself may have violated the Rule. I > > > think I disagree. In my view, the Ritual is the action required to be > > > performed; it is not an entity that violates the Rule when it is not > > > performed. Imagine the Rule instead said, “any player CAN hop on one > > foot” > > > and “a hopping upon one foot MUST be performed at least once in every > > > Agoran week.” We wouldn’t say that the rule is violated by the > “hopping > > > upon one foot,” because that’s an action not an entity. Same with the > > > Ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mon, 2019-06-03 at 02:38 +0000, James Cook wrote: > > > >> I Point my Finger at every player, in the following order: > > > >> > > > >> omd, Aris, Gaelan, G., Cuddle Beam, Trigon, Murphy, ATMunn, twg, > > > >> D. Margaux, Jacob Arduino, Falsifian, Bernie, Rance, o, Jason Cobb, > > > >> Walker, PSS, Corona, V.J. Rada, L, Hālian, Tarhalindur, Telnaior, > > > >> Baron von Vaderham > > > >> > > > >> for failing to perform The Ritual in the previous Agoran week. > > > >> > > > >> Explanation for how each player P violated the rules: > > > >> * Rule 2596 required The Ritual to be performed. > > > >> * P had a method available to perform The Ritual. Therefore P is > > > >> responsible if The Ritual was not performed. > > > >> > > > >> (I had honestly intended to perform it at the last minute once again > > > >> this week, but forgot. I intended to do this because I try to follow > > > >> the rules. Though, honestly, I'm happy that we finally missed a week > > > >> so that we get to see what happens.) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
