That may make some intuitive sense, but I’m not sure which provision(s) of the rules you think I’ve either overlooked or misinterpreted, and what your interpretation of those provisions is. I think if we ground the analysis in the text of the Rules then there will be more clarity about why we may disagree.
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Aris Merchant > <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The fact that any player CAN perform The Ritual and the fact that someone > SHALL do so do not logically or by common sense entail the fact that the > responsibility to do so falls on any player. Until we know exactly who > SHALL do so, punishing anyone is premature. Even assuming that the action > isn’t required to perform itself, that still doesn’t tell us who exactly > SHALL do it. > > -Aris > >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:45 PM Rebecca <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I think that this decision is corrrect as a matter of text. The rules >> should be amended to give one player the responsibility, and each player >> the ability for the ritual. But as the rules stand, "failing to perform >> [the ritual] violates" the rules and "any player CAN perform the ritual". I >> think this decision provides the best reading of the text at issue. It also >> accords with Agoran practice in that abstract actions are usually not >> required to perform themselves. >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:07 AM Aris Merchant < >> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I object. The rule says that The Ritual SHALL be performed; it doesn't >>> specify who shall do the performing. In the absence of such a >>> specification, holding any individual player responsible is clearly >>> unreasonable, since their individual responsibility to perform The Ritual >>> was never explicitly stated. >>> >>> -Aris >>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 12:59 PM D Margaux <dmargaux...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Below is a proto-decision on the fingers pointed by Falsifian regarding >>>> the Ritual; comments welcome. >>>> >>>> * * * >>>> >>>> The key question seems to be whether a fine for failure to perform the >>>> Ritual CAN be imposed on players consistently with Rule 2531. Under >> Rule >>>> 2531, among other things, a fine is INEFFECTIVE if >>>> >>>>> (2) it attempts to levy a fine on a person for an action or inaction >>>> which e (more likely than not) did not commit; [or] >>>>> >>>>> (3) it attempts to levy a fine for an action or inaction which is not >>>> prohibited by the rules . . . . >>>> >>>> In this case, I think a fine MUST be imposed because those requirements >>>> (and the other requirements) are satisfied by the players’ failure to >>>> perform the Ritual. >>>> >>>> Under Rule 2596 (the Ritual), “[a]ny player CAN perform the Ritual by >>>> paying a fee of 7 coins,” and “[t]he Ritual MUST be performed at least >>> once >>>> in every Agoran week.” Under Rule 2152 (Mother, May I?), “MUST” means >>> that >>>> “[f]ailing to perform the described action violates the rule in >>> question.” >>>> >>>> Last week, the “described action” (the Ritual) was not “performed.” >> That >>>> violation came to pass because each player declined to perform the >> Ritual >>>> last week. In my view, because “failing to perform the [Ritual]” at >>> least >>>> once last week “violates the rule in question,” that means that any >>> player >>>> or entity capable of performing the Ritual violated the Rule through >> eir >>>> “inaction” when it turned out that the Ritual was not performed on >> time. >>>> Falsifian pointed eir finger at players each of whom could have >> performed >>>> the Ritual. As a result, each such player violated the Rule. >>>> >>>> Ais523 suggests that the Ritual itself may have violated the Rule. I >>>> think I disagree. In my view, the Ritual is the action required to be >>>> performed; it is not an entity that violates the Rule when it is not >>>> performed. Imagine the Rule instead said, “any player CAN hop on one >>> foot” >>>> and “a hopping upon one foot MUST be performed at least once in every >>>> Agoran week.” We wouldn’t say that the rule is violated by the >> “hopping >>>> upon one foot,” because that’s an action not an entity. Same with the >>>> Ritual. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 2019-06-03 at 02:38 +0000, James Cook wrote: >>>>>> I Point my Finger at every player, in the following order: >>>>>> >>>>>> omd, Aris, Gaelan, G., Cuddle Beam, Trigon, Murphy, ATMunn, twg, >>>>>> D. Margaux, Jacob Arduino, Falsifian, Bernie, Rance, o, Jason Cobb, >>>>>> Walker, PSS, Corona, V.J. Rada, L, Hālian, Tarhalindur, Telnaior, >>>>>> Baron von Vaderham >>>>>> >>>>>> for failing to perform The Ritual in the previous Agoran week. >>>>>> >>>>>> Explanation for how each player P violated the rules: >>>>>> * Rule 2596 required The Ritual to be performed. >>>>>> * P had a method available to perform The Ritual. Therefore P is >>>>>> responsible if The Ritual was not performed. >>>>>> >>>>>> (I had honestly intended to perform it at the last minute once again >>>>>> this week, but forgot. I intended to do this because I try to follow >>>>>> the rules. Though, honestly, I'm happy that we finally missed a week >>>>>> so that we get to see what happens.) >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada >>
