On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:27 AM James Cook via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 16:14, Rebecca via agora-discussion > <agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:11 AM Alex Smith via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, 28 May 2020, 17:03:57 GMT+1, James Cook via > > > agora-discussion <agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > In fact, it may be a good idea to have two separate tiers of crimes > > > anyway: > > > > > small infractions that earn you some blots, and serious ones that > come > > > with a > > > > > punishment you can't pay off. I think that'd reconcile the ideas of > > > "justice as > > > > > a game mechanic" and "justice as a way to deal with bad faith > > > actors/actions." > > > > > > > > If some justice is intended to be a game mechanic, I'd prefer the > > > > crimes related to those to not be described as rule violations (SHALL > > > > NOT, etc). > > > > It doesn't really sound fun to me for the written rules of a game to > > > > deliberately not be an accurate description of the expected > boundaries > > > > of gameplay. > > > > > > I fully agree with this. It's fine to have actions where "you're > allowed > > > to do this > > > but there will be consequences", and it's fine to have illegal actions, > > > but please > > > don't mix the two. > > > > > > -- > > > ais523 > > > > > > > isn't law in real life exactly this though? there are plenty of things > like > > littering that people often do (and attract relatively small > consequences) > > that are just as illegal under law as, say, murder. > > -- > > From R. Lee > > There are a couple of differences in my mind. > > First, I never really agreed to my local laws. > > Second, at least for some games, the rules are the whole point. I > wouldn't find a game of chess very fun if my opponent were trying to > move pieces while I wasn't looking. It's not what I signed up for. I > feel this way about Agora too. Admittedly I feel it less strongly in > Agora than in chess, maybe because Agora's rules are much more vague > and complicated. Still, if this is a game, it seems like the world > "rules" should be used for the ground rules, i.e. the basic underlying > structure people are expected to follow. > > - Falsifian > Well chess is a game in which there is no distinctions between CANs and SHALLs, except I suppose in tournament play with regards to the chess clock. In Agora, I find the CANs paramount and the SHALLs not particularly important, as a general rule. -- >From R. Lee
