From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David
I take it that the comment is directed to me. A solid answer to my questions would better. Nice to see someone who cares about the profession. Teresa knows my position on promoting radiation science as a profession, which hasn't changed. The reason I am against registration is because we are not ready for it. Registration for registration's sake is pointless & is guaranteed to do more harm than good. I am, however open to hear any reasonable justification for it at this point in history. The greatest opportunity we ever had was lost on the ultrasound issue. Now look at the mess sonography is in and the general lack of participation and control by medical imaging practitioners. We are already accountable for our actions under law. As things stand now, that position is compromised every day when a medical imaging practitioner who is employed is forced to compromise his legal position under the direction of a superior or employer. There is no political outcome or benefit to registration for the sake of registration. Until we establish political & professional autonomy first, then registration is just another brick in the wall. Registration cannot give you professional independance, political clout, self determination, provider numbers or professional respect. Who says that radiation scientists are not competent? Who are these unprofessional incompetent people & who is judging them? Just where do these ideas that medical radiation scientists are incompetent come from? Why is it being promoted here as a justification for "registration? I personally do not know any of the people you describe. I do know, however, a lot of production workers who have no professional freedom or standing. My bottom line is that the single most important issue that we should be promoting is the legally recognised right & responsibility to report plain films at the level of a non-specialist doctor. When we have that, we will have the right to self determination, professional autonomy, registration and a cheap rebate provider number. As an aside, I note that in NSW, the NSWH refers only to Medical Radiation Scientists. However in hospitals, staff, public & MRS' themselves only use the term "radiographer" or "X-Ray guy". You are also specifically prohibited from offering an opinion, yet nurses & junior doctors routinely do so. But if you work with specialists & are respected, they invariably ask your opinion. This is the culture that we ourselves are unwilling to change. Registration won't fix this. By the way I am 100% against the establishment of clinical nurse practitioners. Ron > From: Teresa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Well said David, now instead of the nurse practitioner deciding what x > rays a patient needs, how about a radiographer consultant or practitioner > triaging the patient and telling the nurse what he/she needs. then do the x > ray, give an opinion and we are on our way to be truly equal professionals > in our own right. > > Teresa Ong. > > > At 11:40 AM 11/29/02 +1100, you wrote: > > From: "David Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Time to respond, > >I suppose we have had it very easy and very cheap for too long. But if we > >wish to remain as technical people with no , with > >no , with no , and of course the luxury of > >no public accountability then we can continue to remain an unregistered > >group of health fringe dwellers. > > > >If on the other hand we wish to persue self determination, accountability, > >the possibility of our own , the we > >deserve from fellow health professionals and have a political voice in our > >own right then we should persue professional registration. Unfortunately > >there are some costs that go with that. > >Who are we keeping out? Those who do not act responsibly, those who are not > >adequately qualified to perform their duties competently, those who may > >bring our profession into disrepute by irresponsible/incompetant practice or > >those who may exploit or abuse clients. > > > >Yes their are legal ramifications, legal requirements to be met and > >responsibilities and costs incurred but welcome to the big league of health > >professionals who are registered in their own right i.e. nurses, doctors, > >physios, podiatrists, most of whome can put their own brass plate on street > >door and deliver services to patients with public accountability without > >hiding behind a senior professional group. > > > >Just who is the rural dishwasher: is it the well respected nurse > >practitioner who knows how to deliver unsupervised emergency cardiac care > >including drug therapy to the beleaguered retiree caravaner travelling the > >outback, who may as the consequence of their condition also benefit from an > >X-ray. Perhaps until we can do more than just take the X-ray and think > >we're shit hot for doing that!, then we deserve to stay on the same level as > >skilled production workers. > > > >Stop whinging!!! > > > >Regards, > >David Leslie > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Friday, 29 November 2002 12:47 AM > >To: AIRNEWS > >Subject: Re: [AIRNEWS] Costs of state registration > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >I have yet to see the reason or value of the existence of the concept of > >registration for medical imaging practitioners. > >Can some one enlighten me? > >Does the rural dishwasher who does a 5 day course also apply for and receive > >the "registration"? > >I do not see any benefit in registration especially in the promotion of > >radiation scientists as professionals in their own right. Exactly who is it > >that we want to "keep out"? > >My personal view is that the EPA license is more than adequate. > > > >Am I missing something here? Who dreams up these ideas? Whats the point? > >Whats > >their motive? Where's the benefit? > > > >Ron > > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= This message is being broadcast by AIRNEWS, the Australian Institute of Radiography list Server Send messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For assistance send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commands should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Opinions expressed on this list are not necessarily those of the moderator, his assistants or those of the A.I.R.
