"Morrison, John" wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2001 2:23 pm
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Build.xml standardization
> >
> >
> > "Morrison, John" wrote:
> > >
> > > > The "test" alias is optional.
> > >
> > > Yeah, but if they didn't want it it's easier to delete than
> > to add :)
> >
> > Agreed.  I was thinking a simple comment inside (or above) the target
> > stating that would bring attention to that.
> 
> OK.
> 
> Should we check this into somewhere (alexandria since we both(?) have
> access, cocoon?)?

Probably.  It might be a good thing to have Ant check into its CVS
repository.  That way all new users have a template build.xml file
to simply fill in the details with.

What do you think?

> > > > Lastly, if "printerdocs" is really only meant for users then
> > > > it should be
> > > > renamed to "userdocs".  Also, please note that
> > > > printerfriendly documentation
> > > > is something that many professional sites have employed.
> > > > They have a "Print
> > > > This" link that removes all the extraneous formatting.  It
> > > > might be a good
> > > > idea to adopt that approach if possible.  The idea I had when
> > > > presenting
> > > > this target was that we really need documentation that can be
> > > > printed out.
> > > > most of the projects have the formatting on the documentation
> > > > so that the
> > > > printer cuts off the right side.
> > >
> > > I'm +0 on this - I don't think it'll really be used on it's
> > own - it'll prob
> > > only be used by the docs target.
> >
> > Maybe not.  I know Cocoon has that target, and I use it alot.
> 
> AYW

I'm not familiar with that one...

> > <gripe type="personal">
> >   Both Jakarta and XML sites ignore principals of designing
> > for HTML.  Because
> >   they both use templating engines, they both used the
> > simplist approach from
> >   a templating engine.  A properly designed template will
> > still produce good
> >   HTML and even look the same (or similar).  Good HTML IMNSHO
> > is designed to
> >   be light weight and not be too constrained.
> > </gripe>
> >
> > Ok, now I'm off my personal soap box--I know this is not the
> > forum for that.
> > I may revamp the Avalon project templates to prove my point though....
> 
> I agree - just because you're templating shouldn't mean that the html is
> gross!

:)

> > > Also, did I put the property file= instructions in the
> > correct place and
> > > does Ant function as I think (ie, putting them where they
> > are and in the
> > > order they are would mean that, for example, project.name
> > couldn't be
> > > overridden...?)
> >
> > I think so.  Question: doesn't the Ant shell scripts already
> > apply the user
> > properties before the build.xml file is even read?
> 
> I don't know.  I only know that the file can exist!

That is true.  I'll have to check the Avalon build structure.
I _thought_ I saw it in the ant shell scripts, but my memmory
could be faulty (not the first time ;P).

> > > Oh, while I think about it, isn't project.name already
> > defined in the
> > > <project> at the top?
> >
> > I'm not sure.  I'd have to look a little deeper into that
> > aspect of ant.
> > (I am by no means an Ant guru--I only know how to make it do
> > what I want).
> 
> Join the club.  I don't think that anybody out of the ant developers are
> gurus - everyone I know who creates ant build.xml files does what I did -
> find a couple of other projects and rip them to shreds then recombine to be
> what you want ;)  Could be a good thing for the old CV (resume for those
> from the states ;)

yup.

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