Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> That's the one part that I don't want to
>> compromise on.  Bootstrapping maven and then using that version of maven
>> during the build process is OK with me.
>
> I don't think that is possible and I really don't think that is
> reasonable to expect.

I will simply observe that this is both possible and reasonable to expect
for Ant, Xerces, and Xalan.  Obviously a failure in any one of these
projects causes essentially a failed Gump run.  In practice, this occurs
less than once a month.  Much less.

> I assumed that when you agreed to let me install
> maven on the gump machine that this was understood.

Two things are going on here.  One is that I made available a resource that
was provided to me as you indicated that it would help you in the
development of a Jakarta project.  That would have occurred regardless of
the development activities that I am pursuing.

Secondly, even if this can not be achieved all in one step, I had hoped
that ultimately we would work towards the same goals.

> I don't believe the
> bootstrapping of maven would work because it would produce an unstable
> version of Maven, a version that I have absolutely no control over.

Again, before Gump, projects like Ant were largely unstable and caused
breaking changes to the people that depended on them.  Clearly Gump was
only one factor in this evolution, but I don't believe that there is anyone
here who would deny that the rapid and precise feedback that Gump provides
greatly accelerated this progress.

This is NOT merely a statement about daily builds.  The quality and
compatibility of releases has greatly improved as a result of this process.

- Sam Ruby


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