> Gump, centipede, maven, etc...
> 
> Over the last few days, I've gotten a greater percentage of the gump run 


> to be attempted.  And the work that I did would not have been practical 
> without the recent efforts of Stefan and Peter.  While this is clearly a 


> labor of love on my and other's parts, relying us to do this across all 
> ASF projects (even only the Java ones) simply does not scale.

I agree here. One of the problems with the current Gump configuration is 
that the groups doing development don't feel that the descriptors are 
'their problem', as many are in alexandria CVS.

Getting someone from a team to commit the descriptor to their CVS tree and 

notify their development group when the build fails helps a lot, IMHO.

This should also help with the scalability problem, in that its not a 
small group working for the benefit of the greater community.

Gump needs more community.

> I believe that the information that a pure bootstrapping approach 
> provides is quite valuable.  Here are a sample of current failures:
I agree.

> http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/2002-11-14/jakarta-turbine-jcs.html
> 
http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/2002-11-14/jakarta-turbine-stratum.html
> http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/2002-11-14/commons-jelly.html
> http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/2002-11-14/jakarta-james.html
> http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/2002-11-14/krysalis-ruper.html

>From what I've been told James hasn't built successfully for around 
months, due to changes in the Avalon container.

> For this information to be available on a more consistent and timely 
> basis, there needs to be a way for the information necessary to do a 
> bootstrapped build to be actively maintained.  This information may 
> originate from a maven project descriptor, or from a unified 
> gump/centipede/etc descriptor.
> 
> Furthermore, the code that actually runs the build (be it maven or cent) 


> needs to be aware of the bootstrapped versions of dependencies and 
> substitute them in place of the ones that the developer may have 
declared.
> 
> I don't know how to get this dones across all of the various codebases, 
> but I am willing to do my part.  Are there maven and/or centipede 
> developers out there who share this goal?
I'm happy to do my part.
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