On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:40 AM, A. Denton <[email protected]> wrote: > The bugs name should be altered. I think Microsoft is just one player in > this game.
I agree with you. However, from all the players Microsoft is the one that affects me most (in a negative way). And I say this although (or maybe exactly because of that ;-) ) I still know Windows better than Linux. > The biggest problem right now is > 'us'. I think we have a problem with Linux, with quality and with the > direction in which things are going. Yes, I say we have a problem with > quality and 100k+ bugs here. Yes, you are right - too many bugs and e.g. such things as recently, that an update of libreoffice makes all menus appearing empty should definitely not occur (even if fixed pretty fast imagine how annoying for all people under stress by finishing some documentation and then menus are gone). So of course, quality should be better regardless of the crap that others are producing. Pointing to others that they produce even worse results is not a solution and bad behaviour even if of course it is less annoying chosing the option that produces less (long-term) troubles among the amount of crappy solutions. And yes, instead of fighting (like Wayland vs Mir) there should be more combined power. > We have a problem with users still making a > valid point in saying Ubuntu is to hard to install and to yet not usable > in the same way and everywhere like the systems of our competitors. The difference here is: The normal end user pretty seldom installs Windows on his/her own (as in Companies this is done by IT departments and at home by family members or friends who are more in IT - or it already comes preinstalled) while Ubuntu they _have to_ install on their own often because no Linux guy in reach and you can't get so easily a machine with Linux preinstalled (we are back to bug #1 core request here). > All that is not Microsoft's fault. And even a major market share for a > dinosaur like them is not a problem in the first place. However it > matters whether our quality is better or not. Bill Gates was wrong when > he replied to Jobs in the 80's that it doesn't matter. It does matter Of course quality matters! And if Ubuntu would be a type of "Download one single install medium for everything - insert install medium - click ok for default install (or advanced to reach the options for the IT guys) and run out-of-the-box on any hardware" would be awesome so that even a trained monkey could do it. But still I see this as a secondary issue because installation is already quite simple and easier than installing Windows (from scratch with all the needed drivers). On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Barry Drake <[email protected]> wrote: > Part of the problem has to be OUR negative thinking. "We have a problem > with users still making a valid point in saying Ubuntu is to hard to > install". Just try installing Microsoft Windows from scratch. The last > fresh install of Ubuntu 13.10 took me less than twenty minutes and > worked 'out of the box'. On the same hardware, Windows 7 took about an > hour plus the time finding drivers ... Even then the resulting > installation was far more clunky than the Alpha version of Ubuntu. Yup, I have similar experiences - but as I mentioned earlier, "normal" Users usually don't install their computer on their own. And further: I know people who bought a new PC (completely new hardware + Windows preinstalled) because their PC got viruses and they never got an installation media when buying their PC (and of course didn't know that somewhere at Microsoft you can download it - BTW never searched myself for those, I just heard that this is possible). > [..] their company > is considering moving to Linux because Microsoft is not secure, and is > unreliable these days. Apple is too 'locked in'. Linux is perfect for > their needs. Yes, there are these and other reasons to move to Linux. Despite many advantages of course there are still issues. For example I am trying to get a new PC for my wife and on my last attempt about two weeks ago for the first time I had (and still have) serious issues to get a Windows-free PC from Dell that is not about 100 % more expensive than a comparable PC with Windows. And I never had such problems before! So regarding to Bug #1 for me currently it seems to get even worse than better. > As more and more organisations turn to Linux for these > reasons, then ordinary folk who work for them will want something better > on their home computers. My experience is the other way round: Employees want to work on what they know from home (because grew up with it). Nowadays in schools there are even laptop-classes where they do everything on their laptop. Expect those people running their own company later: If they are more familiar with Ubuntu they will tell their IT department to install that everywhere. And that's why we are still about 30 years away from the year of the Linux desktop - because the CEOs currently steering companies grow up with Windows. ;-) Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu 4 dz, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: New Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: Invalid Status in dylan.NET: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in LibreOffice: In Progress Status in The Linux Kernel: New Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: In Progress Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in Neobot: New Status in Novabot: New Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: Invalid Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: In Progress Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in Arch Linux: Confirmed Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to all." "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world." * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic practices. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. What happens: Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be proprietary. What should happen: A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~algeriatul Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~algeriatul More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
