Hello Andy,

Really appreciated. I have got it and now put it on my Trek.

Thank you.
> On 14 May 2020, at 14:31, Andy via groups.io 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Georgena, Hamit and list.
> 
> Gena asked for Neals Review.  Are we talking about BSM binaural microphones 
> or the H6.
> 
> If the latter, you can get it at here:
> 
> Sendspace.
> 
> https://www.sendspace.com/file/xogibu
> 
> I've a number of Neals podcasts from BCT but not them all.
> 
> Hamit you said that Dane had them.
> 
> You could not provide me with his e-mail address so I can ask for some or all 
> of them if possible.
> 
> I discovered years ago that Neal rarelly replies to messages.  Perhaps I'll 
> try again.
> 
> Rick Harmon held the BCT Archieve at on time.  Perhaps I'll drop the big guy 
> a wee message and see if he has retained any of them.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> 
> Andy.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would you 
> do it?
> 
> 
>> Ah Neal Ewers. Yes he is a studio person from Madison Wisconsin. He use to 
>> do reviews on Blind cool tech. His site is www.ravenswood.org I don't know 
>> what happened to his reviews page and his H6 review is pretty big. On
>> 
>> On 5/14/2020 7:50 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>>> Hello Andy and Hamit,
>>> 
>>> Who is this Neil, can you point to his review?
>>> 
>>> All electronic devices make a noise but most of them are out of our hearing 
>>> range. An amplifier does make a noise especially when it is cranked up to 
>>> it’s maximum. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are known for being noisy. So can you 
>>> quote Neil saying that the Zoom 6 preamps are not noisy?
>>> 
>>> Andy you can hear the pre-amp hiss on your bird recording. There are 2 ways 
>>> you could eliminate or at least reduce that hiss if you wanted. That I know 
>>> of.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>> On 14 May 2020, at 10:08, Andy via groups.io 
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Guys.
>>>> 
>>>> You may remember within his H6 Review, Neal stated "I would not know just 
>>>> how to measure the Floor noise , because there doesent seem to be one!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Andy.
>>>> 
>>>> know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" 
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>> To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Recording from recorders like Zoom - How would 
>>>> you do it?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Ah yeah than 35 must be the 1 Neal sent. He sent it to the Reaper list. 
>>>>> I've yet to finish that 1.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/13/2020 12:17 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Hamit,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No 36 is out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 13 May 2020, at 17:04, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is 35 the newest 1? IF so no I've meant to just haven't gotten to it. 
>>>>>>> Will do soon though. Thanks for the reminder.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/13/2020 11:13 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Hamit,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Out of interest do you listen to Mosen at large (specifically 35)? He 
>>>>>>>> is singing from the roof about the F6 as it has an iPhone app which is 
>>>>>>>> not perfect but gives access to functions we have never had access to 
>>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 13 May 2020, at 16:07, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Actually Gena there's 1 place where I'll give it to ya. Dynamic mics. 
>>>>>>>>> This is also true for the H5 but much much less oddly enough. Same 
>>>>>>>>> for the H4N Pro. The H6 in this respect is again as noisy as the 
>>>>>>>>> Olympus LS-100. Now can't say on the F6 as no one's demoed dynamics 
>>>>>>>>> on that yet and Neal hasn't demoed dynamics on his 744-T so can't say 
>>>>>>>>> nothing on that either.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2020 11:02 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Aidan,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Well I am picky, there is nothing wrong in getting the best out of 
>>>>>>>>>> the equipment. The Zoom 6 pre-amps are renowned for their hiss. It 
>>>>>>>>>> would be useful to share your tips to get the most from the recorder.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 May 2020, at 13:52, Aidan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If using something like h6 I cannot really imagine that you would 
>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>> to apply noise filters. Unless you very picky.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/20, Georgina Joyce <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting, if using a non destructive DAW like reaper, if it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> incorrectly applied simply undo it. I am not  familiar with using 
>>>>>>>>>>>> expanders.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But the noise comes from whatever equipment. Very few mics have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> undetectable noise floor and even the best pre-amps have some 
>>>>>>>>>>>> noise. So a
>>>>>>>>>>>> light touch of post processing is likely to be required. But as 
>>>>>>>>>>>> you rightly
>>>>>>>>>>>> point out it is down to the environment and what purpose the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> recording is to
>>>>>>>>>>>> serve.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 May 2020, at 12:23, tim cumings <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree about most of theadvice here. However i would be careful 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a noise gate. If set incorrectly, a noise gate can make 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worse than better. A downward expander would be better, but if 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a quality mic and have recording levels set properly, even a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> downward expander probably isn't necessary, depending on what you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recording.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2020 5:30 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather than making the current discussion on Zoom Microphones. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I would ask the community  of their experiences and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undertake a recording? As I was not sure if Andy wanted tips on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> techniques I thought such a thread would help him and those of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a Zoom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firstly, I would record in wav. Then use reaper to apply a noise 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This removes hiss and other quiet unwanted noises.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not use a capsule on the recorder unless it was the only 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available for that application. Using such a mic I would secure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recorder and start the recording early so that I could discard 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second as it will contain handling noise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not wear noisy clothing or jewellery and try to get away 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> active recording space. It is surprising how  clothing, shoes 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and bangles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rustle and jangle when you are trying to be quiet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then it is about choosing the mic for the sound stage I am 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capture. Remembering that the wider stage means that I have to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much quieter. It could pick me up breathing and moving my feet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then there are practical considerations such as power for the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zoom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protection from wind and rain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of the top of my head these are the considerations I would 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employ before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a recording. So what about your experiences and approach?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gena
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Call: M0EBP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DMR ID: 2346259
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loc: IO83PS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gena
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Call: M0EBP
>>>>>>>>>>>> DMR ID: 2346259
>>>>>>>>>>>> Loc: IO83PS
>>>>>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Gena
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Call: M0EBP
>>>>>>>>>> DMR ID: 2346259
>>>>>>>>>> Loc: IO83PS
>>>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gena
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Call: M0EBP
>>>>>>>> DMR ID: 2346259
>>>>>>>> Loc: IO83PS
>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gena
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Call: M0EBP
>>>>>> DMR ID: 2346259
>>>>>> Loc: IO83PS
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> Call: M0EBP
>>> DMR ID: 2346259
>>> Loc: IO83PS
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Gena

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