RE Bay Area Rocketry

I've sent e-mail to Mike but I think he may already be at Black Rock for
ARLISS.

RE pull a battery from a bundle:

Yes. Mike is an *AWESOME* vendor! I wouldn't be surprised if he was willing
to do that.

I think give that it's late in the day (and even later at SparkFun
(Colorado)) and my "Scottish" blood
bristles at paying $25 to get an $9 battery, I'll go to Black Rock and
"expect a miracle"

If my backup "other possibilities" are deemed "not too wacky" by Keith, I
might prepare for one of
those in case a miracle doesn't happen :-)

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Sam Fineberg <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Peter,
> You might ask Mike @ BAR.  He had some Telemetrium gear the last time I
> looked.  He might be able to pull a battery out of a bundle kit if you
> asked nicely.
>
> Sam
>
>
> On 9/10/2013 3:23 PM, Keith Packard wrote:
>
> Peter Hackett <[email protected]> 
> <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>  I'm off to Black Rock on Thursday. Not sure I'll be able to replace it by
> then.
> (I'm assuming it would be hard to find the right battery locally)
>
>  Yeah, we use the same connector as some helicopter batteries, but the
> polarity is reversed, which would destroy both battery and board if you
> plug them together.
>
> Bdale has a pile of current stock, but he's in California until tomorrow
> evening. I don't have any of the larger size left at this point or I'd
> offer to ship one from here.
>
> We get them from SparkFun though, and they do offer overnight shipping:
>
>         https://www.sparkfun.com/products/341
>
> However, if you want to use them to fire charges, you'll need to remove
> the current limiter board. If left in place, the battery will shut down
> as soon as you try to fire a charge, leaving the board dead in the
> air. Older SparkFun batteries had a different protection circuit which
> worked fine with TeleMetrum, newer SparkFun batteries nearly always fail.
>
> It's a pretty simple soldering job, if you're up for the adventure.
>
>         http://www.altusmetrum.org/Documents/FixBattery/
>
>  Anyone want to chime in on whether AAA's will be big enough?
>
>   Also,  I guess I should be concerned about battery internal resistance.
> Will 3 standard alkaline
> batteries in series be able to provide enough current to light the
> e-matches?
>
>  Not recommended for a couple of reasons:
>
>  *) TeleMetrum will try to charge them when plugged in over USB. There's
>     no way to disable the charger, and the board cannot run without a
>     battery in place.
>
>  *) AAA batteries have a higher internal resistance than lithium
>     polymer batteries, which means if you try to fire an e-match, the
>     voltage seen by the board will drop low enough to reset the board.
>
>
>  RE over-charge:
>
> Can that happen using the TeleMetrum to do the charging?
>
>  The charge controller on TeleMetrum shouldn't be able to overcharge an
> undamaged battery. I've left them plugged in for weeks at a time without
> problems.
>
> -keith
>
>
>
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