thanks. I dont't know too much about this bouncing. I only noticed it when I was not receiving my Amibroker Emails I normally send forward from Yahoo to my normal Email address. If I didn't miss these Emails I wouldn't have known. It all started when I changed my ISP but as I said it seems to stop if I change a setting in the McAfee security center. I will look into it a bit closer,
thanks, rgds, Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Yuki Taga To: Edward Pottasch Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [amibroker] Another Hard Bounce Ed, Nobody is ever going to accuse me of being the master about this subject. ^_^ But I would do the following: 1) Get a Bayesian filtering program. (I use K-9.) 2) Never use anything that produces bounces. 3) Use a whitelist. 4) Use a blacklist, too. Generally, my combination gets about 99.75 percent correct. Yes, I get some false negatives (SPAM that is not identified as SPAM). More rarely, the false positive (identified as SPAM that isn't). But all the identified-as-SPAM mail goes to the trash, where I can analyze it in seconds. "Unprotected", I don't know. But bouncing SPAM email is a no-no. You are bouncing messages to people that had *nothing* to do with the original message. Much better to silently accept, filter, and dispose. Never, ever, acknowledge receipt of SPAM. A bounce, should it even go to the true sender (highly unlikely), would do just that. Simply ignore. Delete and forget. Bayesian filters are impossible to defeat. They can be circumvented, temporarily, but they "learn". Every time they mess up, you teach them. They get "smarter". Yuki Sunday, January 14, 2007, 7:24:40 PM, you wrote: EP> hi Yuki, EP> so then turning the spam filter off indeed solves the problem. I EP> did not see any use for it since almost all my incoming messages EP> were labelled SPAM. Turning it off seems to work for me although EP> McAfee gives a message that my system is now "unprotected" .... EP> regards, Ed EP> ----- Original Message ----- EP> From: Yuki Taga EP> To: Edward Pottasch EP> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:56 AM EP> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Another Hard Bounce EP> Hi Ed, EP> Sunday, January 14, 2007, 5:50:03 PM, you wrote: EP> EP> hi, EP> EP> what is the reason for these hard bounces? I have them as well. EP> EP> However when I set the "Email Spam Security" Off, of my McAfee EP> EP> security center I did not -yet- have any bounces. I EP> thought the reason was on my side .... EP> There are some anti-SPAM programs that try to combat SPAM by bouncing EP> messages. This is a really *bad* idea of course, because almost all EP> return email addresses on SPAM are forgeries. Bouncing simply clogs EP> up the network with packets that mean nothing to anyone. EP> Perhaps this is what Yahoo! means by "hard bounce". I'm not sure.
