Apologies for the site being unavailable. I am now back on line and will be attending to enquiries filed at the site.
Things will be a bit rough until we get a permanent home. Thanks for letting me know. brian_z --- In [email protected], Dennis Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brian, > > Don't blame the people if your tools don't work. > > I left you a message on your new site this morning and it said it was > delivered. > If you did not get it, that suggests others may have sent you some > note that you did not get. > > BR, > Dennis > > > On May 2, 2008, at 10:38 PM, brian_z111 wrote: > > > Yes, I already acquired this 'brief overview' from sites like that > > and also did more than a cursory reading of WordPress in the past. > > > > The site I put up was only a temporary 'free' site, to invite > > responses, so there is no requirement for me to go to the next phase > > (secure quality host, vandal protection and system design etc) unless > > there is sufficient interest (why spend resources if there is no > > demand and I don't want to consider design unless a project team > > assembles and lays out a spec first). > > > > Note: I actually expected little or no response so that is why I > > decided not to 'invest' in a bigger production for the opening. > > > > Yes, my IT experience is zero but in a team project it is the norm > > for members to pool their skills (in fact it works best if people are > > free to perform their own role without interference and of course no > > one person can 'do it all' - this is yesterdays model). > > > > Yes, if I want to do something I will go away and learn it but no > > need to debate these points as the ATP is a billion to one shot(my > > site is crashed already and there is no interest anyway). > > > > Since there is no interest in a 'better' site, you were correct and I > > was wrong. > > > > Case closed. > > > > On with the show (I am starting my next new project after a cup of > > coffee). > > > > All the best, > > > > brian_z > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Brian, > >> > >> While I appreciate your contributions to UKB, with this sentence: > >> > >>> - what Tomasz is supplying, for free, at the UKB is very basic > > and > >>> better hosting packages can be purchased elsewhere, for a small > > fee, > >>> and he won't have to do any admin > >> > >> you are showing zero knowledge about web hosting. > >> > >> I am sorry to say that, but you are completely missing the point. > >> UKB is based on Wordpress, which is blogging platform. > >> It has *nothing* to do with hosting packages. > >> > >> Hosting packages typically consists of web server software (usually > > Apache), > >> database backend (mySQL), scripting languages (PHP, pearl, Python), > >> control panel (CPanel), root admin tools (Virtuozzo Panel, WHM), > > etc, etc. > >> And all amibroker sites actually use ALL these services. They are > > pretty much standard, > >> but they have more or less nothing to do with publishing per se. > >> > >> Wordpress completely different subject. It is open-source blogging > > platform > >> that sits ON TOP of (i.e. utilising) basic services like apache, > > mysql, php. > >> > >> Publishing platform is one layer above basic hosting services > > mentioned above. > >> > >> My advice for you - wannabe web owner - is to spend a while > > reading/asking questions on webhostingtalk.com > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Tomasz Janeczko > >> amibroker.com > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:52 AM > >> Subject: [amibroker] Re: OT: AmiBrokerTradersProject > >> > >> > >>> Good question. > >>> > >>> First, I am not out to create the need by talking it up. > >>> People are either satisfied with what we have, or they are not. > >>> They want to do something about it, or they don't (it appears > > that > >>> they don't because there are no new messages in my mailbox, which > > is > >>> OK by me). > >>> I take your point that many would see the ATP as a duplicate and > >>> wasted effort etc. > >>> > >>> I did outline some of the points of difference at 'my' site. > >>> > >>> Note: my host appears to be down at the moment, which is what you > > get > >>> with an amateur production - I picked the first host from > > a 'webhost > >>> review page' but the intention is to move quickly to a quality > > host > >>> anyway. > >>> > >>> It is only my personal perception - a couple of examples: > >>> > >>> - the UKB is owned and administered by AmiBroker, whereas the ATP > > is > >>> a community owned project > >>> - the UKB can't be extended without agreement from Tomasz and he > > is > >>> too busy to spend much time on it > >>> - what Tomasz is supplying, for free, at the UKB is very basic > > and > >>> better hosting packages can be purchased elsewhere, for a small > > fee, > >>> and he won't have to do any admin > >>> - this messageboard is owned by AmiBroker, and hosted by Yahoo, > > and > >>> nothing can be extended here. > >>> > >>> ...and so on > >>> > >>> One of the main points of difference is that the UKB was a non- > >>> commercial community effort site and only 4 people from 7000 > > wanted > >>> to join in. > >>> > >>> Was that because they didn't want to, were too busy or found the > > site > >>> unattractive or too hard to use? > >>> > >>> I am addressing the latter point and giving people the option to > >>> say, "yes I will contribute if the site is easier to use and I > > don't > >>> have to sign an AmiBroker contract". > >>> > >>> There is another group of people who might want to join in if the > >>> site is higher quality and they can tag their contributions with > >>> their commercial moniker (a not unreasonable request). > >>> > >>> So that is the group I am targeting: > >>> > >>> people who like to control their own destiny and/or people who > > would > >>> like to participate but can't because they have, or would like to > >>> have, commercial interests. > >>> > >>> If they are not interested then no-one is interested. > >>> > >>> I can assure you that what we can have and what we do have are a > >>> million miles apart (please use your imagination to fill in the > > gap). > >>> > >>> brian_z > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In [email protected], Ken Close <ken45140@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Brian: I am curious what is the need(s) you are trying to meet > > with > >>> the new > >>>> site that cannot (or is not) be met with your UKB and this > > forum. > >>> Applause > >>>> for all the work you do, but one wonders whether the extra time > > to > >>>> create/manage/contribute to the new project would not > > yield "more > >>> return" if > >>>> applied to expanding the current tools rather than creating what > >>> looks like > >>>> a duplicate. My apologies if you answered this in another post, > >>> which I > >>>> missed if you did. > >>>> Ken > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> On Behalf > >>>> Of brian_z111 > >>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:08 AM > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: [amibroker] Re: OT: AmiBrokerTradersProject > >>>> > >>>> Try the URL again. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.amibrokertradersproject.com/ > >>>> > >>>> --- In [email protected], "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> As many of you would know I was involved in the joint venture > >>> that > >>>>> dreamed up, and started, the UKB. > >>>>> > >>>>> Two points about it: > >>>>> > >>>>> - first I would never have become involved except for the fact > >>> that > >>>>> Tomasz and/or Herman showed a belief in me that my resume > > didn't > >>>>> warrant. > >>>>> > >>>>> - second I am proud of it but I am also a realist and it is a > >>>> failure > >>>>> (the community voted with their feet). > >>>>> > >>>>> I learnt a lot from the experience and I have started a new > >>> project > >>>>> that eliminates some of the weaknesses of the UKB and adds > > some > >>> new > >>>>> strengths (IMO). > >>>>> > >>>>> The project is self-explanatory. > >>>>> > >>>>> Please see: > >>>>> > >>>>> www.amibrokertradersproject.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Note that I alone am responsible for the project, up to this > >>> stage. > >>>>> I had preliminary discussions on the subject with AB/Tomasz > > and > >>> please > >>>>> note that IT IS NOT AN AMIBROKER PROJECT and IT IS NOT > > SUPPORTED > >>> BY > >>>>> AMIBROKER. > >>>>> > >>>>> The site currently has basic but adequate communication > >>> facilities and > >>>>> if there is any support around for the project the coms will > > be > >>> ramped > >>>>> up so please - ALL DISCUSSION WILL BE CARRIED OUT AT THE ATP > > SITE > >>>>> > >>>>> Hope you like it. > >>>>> > >>>>> If not I get to spend more time at the beach this year. > >>>>> > >>>>> brian_z > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> Please note that this group is for discussion between users only. > >>>> > >>>> To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to > >>> SUPPORT {at} > >>>> amibroker.com > >>>> > >>>> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG: > >>>> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/ > >>>> > >>>> For other support material please check also: > >>>> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html > >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Please note that this group is for discussion between users only. > >>> > >>> To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to > >>> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com > >>> > >>> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG: > >>> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/ > >>> > >>> For other support material please check also: > >>> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only. > > > > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to > > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com > > > > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG: > > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/ > > > > For other support material please check also: > > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html > > Yahoo! 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