Tomasz: Following up on Paul's comment, I have seen that a number of sites use a Google search bar that offers the possibility of search that particular site or all of Google. This would be a useful addition for the User Guide page at www.amibroker.com.
Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Ho To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: RE: [amibroker] Forum Re: 'Rule Based' versus 'Discretionary' trading... Since the online help is on the amibroker site just use google with site:www.amibroker.com to restrict the domain of the search to www.amibroker.com e.g "range bar site:www.amibroker.com" on google will yield the following http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=range+bar+site%3Awww.amibroker.com&meta= much better than html search. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomasz Janeczko Sent: Friday, 29 August 2008 10:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [amibroker] Forum Re: 'Rule Based' versus 'Discretionary' trading... Ken, For Your Info: HtmlHelp that AB uses is a Microsoft Windows-wide standard that consists of robust full-text engine that has each and every word indexed already. Sorry, but there is nothing better than that available to Windows developers. The same search is featured in products like Windows itself, Microsoft Office, MSDN (5+GB of help documents there!) and others. Best regards, Tomasz Janeczko amibroker.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Close To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [amibroker] Forum Re: 'Rule Based' versus 'Discretionary' trading... While the Users Guide in pdf format will help you find things a little bit better than the search function in the html help file, it still suffers greatly from limitations in the search function. I just tried it on several recent questions and unless you want to experiment with single search terms and look at all the hits and repeat, this is not that much better than the html help files. I believe a single work topic that would have great payoff and involving programming and not writing or rewriting help material, is to install a robust search engine, with all words and phrases indexed. Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wavemechanic Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [amibroker] Forum Re: 'Rule Based' versus 'Discretionary' trading... There is no reason to read 900 pages. The Users Guide is in pdf format so your pdf search function will find just about anything within a few tries - at least that's my experience. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: dave_88_1961 To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [amibroker] Forum Re: 'Rule Based' versus 'Discretionary' trading... Here is a good example why it is so hard to search the group and find information. I just picked this as an example but it happens all the time. Clearly this thread is now not about 'Rule Based' versus 'Discretionary' trading, it is about helping out newcomers with AB. Imagine searching for something and hitting a thread that has turned in to something else than what it's subject title started as. I've searched and sometimes have no idea why messages came up in the search. I know some here were able to download AB and start developing systems the next day, but there are more that give up on the software because it is not user friendly in the beginning. Not all who ask a simple getting started question want to read 900 pages of a user manual but some are told to do that with the basic answer--"it's in the maual, read it" AB is great software, it takes time to learn how to use it-- step by step. Dave --- In [email protected], "reinsley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > +1 > > It's a major point. How to find something that you don't know the name > or don't ever know it exist ! Or if it's a generic name with thousands > of entries. > > I saw with Excel user's list that when the simple examples are at a > precise place, it is easier to give educational support to beginners. > > The beginner wants to have results at once. He searches into help > manual and find a programmer help. That is useless for non programmer, > it takes time to use this help. > > With 3 or 4 lines of code a "takeaway" example is a good tutorial. > > Best Regards > > > > > --- In [email protected], "progster01" progster@ wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Dennis Brown <see3d@> wrote: > > > > >When I first started, I did not know what to call things, > > >so most of my searches failed. > > > > Ha! I can relate to that! > > > > Sometimes people may find it easier to dash off a quick question to > > the list than to troll deeply through the several possible references > > available. > > > > I always try to keep in mind that, in general, if the person knew > > where to find the answer, they would go right to it. But, until a > > more thorough acclimation takes place, newbies don't know where to look. > > > > IMO, it's not realistic to expect every poster to have spent a few > > months getting deeply familiar with the reference material. Even > > those who have spent significant time with the reference material may > > still need a bit of "extra" or "different" explanation/example before > > the light comes on for any particular topic. > > > > A quick question may deserve a quick answer: > > > > "Try reading this page or topic and see if that helps." > > > > And what is wrong with that? (nothing, IMO) > > > > If a person more experienced with the product and the docs can direct > > someone to where the answer exists, it only takes a moment, and that > > moment could substitute for hours of (fruitless?) searching on the > > questioner's part. > > > > Clearly some people form an opinion along the lines of: > > > > "Oh come on, that's so obvious, and it's RIGHT THERE IN THE DOCS" > > > > Well, maybe (and perhaps definitely!). OK, so just don't answer that > > poster. Don't let it get to you! Either someone else will answer > > (question posed, question answered, no nick on you!), or the poster > > will email support or figure it out themselves eventually. > > > > Civility (or refraining from incivility) helps the list, lack of > > civility hurts it (IMO). > > > > Posing a simple or "obvious" question is not "lack of civility" (IMO). > > > > BTW, "It's in the docs" is not a very helpful answer (to the > > questioner or the list). > > > > "I think what you are looking for is in the docs, HERE" is a very > > helpful answer, and if more people who are capable of this answer > > would step up to it then TJ would not have to! > > > ------------------------------------ Please note that this group is for discussion between users only. 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