Jeff Edmonson wrote:

> I don't know about you, but I didn't get into Ham Radio, and subsequently AM
> because I wanted to make a business out of my Radio Hobby.
>
> Example:  I needed some 872's.  I know of a Ham who had some, and he offered
> them to me.  A mutual ham friend needed some 8008's.  Due to some misfortune,
> what was to be a pair of 872s turned out to be one (the other was cracked).  
> So,
> the guy who wanted 8008's was asked if he had any spare 872's.  He did.  I 
> only
> wanted 1 more, but for the trouble of traveling to Ham B's house (which was on
> the way) and dropping off the 8008's, I was rewarded with 3 (three) 872's.
>
> And I got them ... because they had them.

Jeff -

I didn't get into ham radio for anything other than the love of radio. I suspect
that trying to make a business of it would certainly ruin it for sure, not to
mention make for a very lean income. Selling things I don't need or want does 
help
me sustain the hobby, though. Like many others, I work for a living and can't 
afford
to compete with the 'buy anything, anytime, anywhere if I want to' crowd. Has 
anyone
told you that sometime in the future you'll be expected, even required to pay 
$300
for a 250TH? Maybe as the supply dries up, we'll be left with no choice? For 
now, I
still enjoy rooting around and packratting.

I have friends who I refer to as 'dealer types' not because they make a living 
at
it, but because they pick up a load of stuff to get a few things they want, 
then get
rid of the rest. I've done this myself. The reference is more an attempt to 
imply
that they know their stuff in the event that someone decides to assume I ripped 
off
some old widow by getting a piece of equipment they'd like to have, for anything
less than top-epay-dollar.

We all know folks who attend every hamfest they can make to sell gear, 
connectors,
whatever they may have. I have to believe this is more hobby than business for 
most,
simply because of the time involved. Who wants to work all week and then spend 
every
weekend driving somewhere to hopefully sell enough gear to pay for the trip? 
Unless
you are AES or HRO, I can't believe too many would. If they do it, it's more 
likely
for the fun of it than to make a big profit. Maybe if you're retired and have a
pension or other income you can justify it financially.

Here in the northeast we help each other as well. Recently myself and another 
ham
(W1DEC) helped W1RC pick up a T-368 that had been *given* to him by another 
AMer. We
both left work early, used my truck and handtruck to retreive the beast, then 
moved
it almost 100 miles to Mike's place. Other than a few bucks for gasoline (and a
spline cable for my ARC 5 set up that I spied in Mike's garage), no money 
exchanged
hands. The former owner of the T-3 was not exactly some 'poor old fart' either. 
I'd
guess he was in his mid-50s and quite capable. He bought the T-3 from Fair Radio
some years back and just didn't want it anymore, nor did he want to deal with 
the
hassle of moving or selling it. So he gave it away to a trusted source. How's 
that
for being a 'ham'? Does he meet the criteria? (o:

My point is only this: the fact that we don't all constantly give away 
everything we
no longer want or need, to someone else doesn't make us any less of a 'ham' 
than you
or the fellows you mentioned. The fact that everyone doesn't get on here and 
list
every good deed they do doesn't mean they don't care. I've given away tubes, 
radios,
rotors, antennae, any number of items over the years, even have a 30L-1 on loan 
to
my best friend since 1995. I just take exception to someone implying that 'in 
order
to be a good ham, I must'. We're all big kids, we don't need to have anyone 
tell us
what we should or shouldn't do. I'm not at all fond of those who would buy 
things
simply to turn them around and make double or more what they paid for them, but 
I'm
even less impressed by those who would tell me what I should or shouldn't have, 
do,
say, or think.

Anytime this topic comes up, it seems there is never a shortage of those who 
want to
assume that others who have something more, or sell it for anything more than 
$5 or
free must be crooks or 'someone trying to make ham radio into a business'. 
There are
certainly people out there who will take advantage of anyone, anytime. I can't 
speak
for others, but I know for myself and others I know, it is the only way we are 
able
to obtain some of the items we'd like. If you're wealthy enough or have enough
friends around willing to give you everything you want or need whenever you 
want it,
consider yourself lucky Jeff. As many friends as I've made and as many sources 
as I
know, there still seem to be too times when I can't obtain what I need.

Other than acquiring, restoring, and operating nice old gear, I've also been
involved with RACES since 1984, including being the state coordinator since 
1994.
The hours and days spent in drills/exercises and actual emergencies likely 
dwarfs
the time spent on my own self-serving interests with respect to ham radio. 
Besides
each other, how much do you give back to amateur radio and the public in 
general? We
have a mass casualty exercise coming up on Sept. 7th at BTV, scenario of a two 
plane
collision with 85 casualties. Wanna come join us? (o:

THIS is what the amateur radio "service" is about  - giving back as well as 
helping
yourself and your friends.  I'm sure some will disagree.

73 de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ

BTW, I enjoy very much the stories you related Jeff (I've broken a 75th and 
dropped
250th *ouch*), and the large wealth of knowledge imparted on this list. Getting 
to
learn from the actual experiences, vastly different knowledge bases and types of
people on here truly adds to my rather lacking knowledge in many areas. No 
sarcasm
intended, but I have a junkbox which is the size of a garage. Oh, wait a
minute....it *is* my garage!



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