This the parking lot at rush hour problem. Try a pass at 2am and you won't have to fight. You may not find anyone to talk to even.
73 de Pat --- KA9SCF. On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:47 AM, k6yk <[email protected]> wrote: > > There's nothing AMSAT can do about lids. Lids are lids and they > are everywhere on the hambands, not just satellite. I would suspect > that the ones you're complaining about don't read this list, or talk to > any > other hams. We do all this writing, but the people who need to read it > don't. > > The madness on the birds is minor compared to what it is on HF at times. > > (Not all the time)... > > Doing a demo on a SSB/CW bird would be much nicer. It's much more > civilized most of the time. > > 73, > John K6YK > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:41:10 +0000 (UTC) [email protected] writes: >> This is and will be an ongoing problem until the powers to be at >> amsat do something about the mess on the FM birds . Tom you are >> preaching to the choir here because most of the offenders have no >> idea that this BBS is here. If the FCC stopped long enough to >> monitor this madness, they would likely have Amsat shut it down. BUT >> it is our job to police the ham bands.I guess that might mean we >> need to write down the bird,call sign ,date ,mode, and time and try >> to contact the offender and explain to the operator the trouble they >> are causing and offer them some advice on how to operate on the >> birds. Amsat wants users and needs members but this madness has to >> be corrected. I would not do a satallite demo any where and let >> people hear the mess that is ever present now and even worse on the >> weekends. Amsat needs to address this issue and offer a solution >> before the responsible operators givenup and quite dealing with the >> birds. >> Thats my 2 cents worth AGAIN >> WA4HFN Damon EM55 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom Schuessler" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:29:20 PM >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Considerate satellite operations behavior. >> >> Hi all, >> >> I do not have the dollars yet to upgrade to an all mode radio to be >> able to >> do SSB/CW operations so FM is my lot for now. I love early mornings >> on >> AO-51 and later in the evening SO-50 and SO-67 when available >> because the >> roar of the crowd is significantly less. That being said, I like to >> give >> AO-51 or AO-27 a try once in a while in the afternoons to make a few >> Qs but >> find myself more often than not put off by the sheer mess found >> there. Only >> been doing this for 8 months with 260 QSOs on an irregular schedule >> so maybe >> I am out of line here, but I will throw out some observations >> anyway. >> >> The for me 2210Z 20-Feb, 2011 pass was a typical example of what >> makes this >> part of the hobby hard to promote. I know that many of you are >> conscientious operators and do not try stomp on others but there are >> some >> out there who just don't seem to understand that there is a proper >> way to do >> this that will maximize the number of QSOs that actually get >> completed on a >> given pass. >> >> I don't know how many times I heard someone call another station but >> when >> that second station answers, somebody else comes right on top and >> obliterates the poor guy with a totally unrelated call. I have had >> a >> station call me back only to have his exchange blown out of the >> water by >> somebody else who is apparently not listening to the fact that >> several >> seconds of an exchange has already occurred. >> >> I am sure I was the cause of some interference this afternoon >> attempting to >> jump in after an exchange to get my call out there. I try however, >> if it >> appears that I with my 5W handheld and Arrow, are not making it >> through the >> current pileup, will wait 3 or 4 minutes until the pass has >> progressed some >> and try it again. Yes I know it is FM and I should not expect >> better but >> honestly I know it can be. Several times I heard a weak voice that >> sounded >> like a youth trying to get in but nobody paused enough to give the >> poor kid >> a shot. I made three Qs that pass but the kid got none and probably >> walked >> away thinking he had just wasted his time. >> >> I will be at a hamfest in a few weeks and plan to do a few >> demonstrations >> of FM satellite work with my Arrow there and know that many folks >> will just >> wag their heads and decide to never try at all because of the noise >> and >> disorganization. >> >> Another issue I hear is stations calling but not apparently hearing >> anything >> but they continue to call anyway and cause interference. A recent >> SO-50 >> pass in the evening had 6 or seven stations calling but only one or >> two QSOs >> actually took place as nobody seemed to be listening to the right >> frequencies. I would request that the person who keeps up with the >> Satellite status pages on the AMSAT web site please post the reality >> the >> SO-50 downlink is really about 5Khz lower than the published >> 436.795. If >> that were really the case, than I should always be starting a pass >> on my >> handeld at 436.805 but if I go there, I hear nothing much and always >> end the >> pass way down at 436.780 instead of .785. Since we always recommend >> that >> new operators look to AMSAT.org for their basic information, it >> needs to be >> kept current. If the information is wrong then people have to go >> through >> the trial and error method to find out the truth. >> >> Hopefully these remarks will not offend but will serve to spur us >> all to >> improve the way we do things so others can too have a shot at >> making >> contacts. >> >> Tom Schuessler >> 2713 Lake Gardens Drive >> Irving, Texas 75060 >> 972-986-7456 >> 214-403-1464 (Cell) >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >> author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? 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