On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:39:51 -0400, Álvaro J. Iradier"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're always talking about how bad the sourceforge web servers are, > but I think they are not that bad! they work just fine. Sometimes > slower, sometimes better. ;) > Yes, but they've been more than horrible lately, mainly because of upgrades, so I think and I hope it will all be nice from now on.. SVN is just great, and it has no sync problems.. MLs, apart from the last downtime because of an upgrade, are good, they are fast at delivering mails.. and the main problem remains the web servers, connection is too slow + the space problem... But we can live with it I guess.. let's just hope they'll also upgrade that... > I'd like to share another idea. > > First, I guess as this plugin will make his company earn some money, > I'd like they to pay an AMSN developer to develop this plugin (do it > as a paid job). Another option is they do it, not the AMSN team. > Humm.. it's a good idea but I don't think it will ever be accepted, I don't think a company would do something like that without prior knowing how much income they'll get... I mean, what if, as I said, noone is interested in this and noone uses their services... so I don't think they'll pay someone for a project that doesn't appear from the very beginning as being a project that will bring a lot more money than what was spent on it.. > Second, what to do with the money? I guess a small amount of the money > should be given back to the AMSN project. It could be used to pay > hosting or similar, as suggested, or it could be used to have, again, > one/some paid developer(s), that work part or full time in fixing > bugs, adding features, organizing, etc. I think this is more important > than the hosting. At least, it makes no sense to pay for an expensive > and brand new powerful hosting if no one will take care of the > migration, improving services, web page, etc. Once we have the > manpower, we can start thinking about a new hosting. > very well said. I do agree, there's only the question "will we get enough money to 'pay' someone, or we'll get enough to pay him a candy once a month ?" > Greets. > > On 6/8/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes we could.. I thought about it, but who will take care of all that ? >> I >> don't remember why but I remember that it was proposed but we still >> decided not to have money in aMSN. Maybe we could reopen the discussions >> now ? >> >> KKRT >> >> On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:15:17 -0400, Philippe Valembois - Phil >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > about the use of the money it could be useful for hosting our own >> servers >> > because SourceForge web server is too slow.......... >> > And we could add better control on the data.... >> > Phil >> > >> > Le Thursday 08 June 2006 17:29, Youness Alaoui a écrit: >> >> Hi All, and hi Angelo (Name taken from >> http://sf.net/users/bhackerozzo). >> >> Thanks for the proposal, I like the idea, and I'm sure many many >> people >> >> will find it interesting.. I only have a few comments on this : >> >> first, I really hope you'll get money out of this :P >> >> We have had more than 1.5 million downloads for the 0.95 release : >> >> >> http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=54091&ugn=amsn&typ >> >> e=prdownload&mode=alltime&package_id=48692&release_id=376219 and so >> >> far, I >> >> think we received a 10 dollars donation overall, from one person >> only :P >> >> so I don't know how much our users are poor, or how much they're >> willing >> >> to pay, or if they are willing to pay for something, or if they just >> >> didn't notice the "Please help" panel in the website. >> >> >> >> secondly, The idea is appealing, I would really think it would be a >> good >> >> thing to both of us, your company and our software, but concerning >> the >> >> money, there's a small problem maybe.. We're not in the 'no-money' >> >> policy, >> >> but we just don't know what we might do with money if we receive >> some... >> >> how can we share it amongst developers, we're not all giving the same >> >> energy to the project, we're not all doing the same tasks, so how to >> >> share >> >> that money, and how to spend it if we don't want to just share it... >> so >> >> in >> >> the end we decided to avoid getting money into the project to avoid >> >> having >> >> 'money issues'... if you're talking about 10$ a month of income, >> then I >> >> don't care, if you're talking 100$, it might become a problem, if >> you're >> >> talking 1000$+ then I don't know if it will be easier, or if it will >> be >> >> an >> >> even bigger problem... >> >> For now, our policy with donations is that if someone wants to donate >> >> money, they'll donate directly to one of the developers, not to the >> >> whole >> >> project. >> >> >> >> last, I can help working on this. We'd need the design or at least >> >> specs, >> >> how it works, how your company works and everything. Are you going to >> >> offer the service and give us our commission, or do you expect us to >> pay >> >> for the service, and we'll try (or 'hope') to get our money back by >> >> selling this same service to as many users as possible ? Assuming we >> all >> >> say yes for this, then how is it going to work, how to authenticate, >> >> etc.. >> >> what do you already have in place ? if we want to code it, then we >> need >> >> info. I added you to my MSN account, so we can talk about it later. >> >> >> >> Thanks for the proposal, I hope we'll get something done and that >> it's >> >> beneficial for all of us. >> >> KaKaRoTo >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:58:39 -0400, Álvaro J. Iradier"" >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Hi, a proposal from an italian student (add SMS "premium" support >> for >> >> > AMSN). I guess it would be ok as long as someone is intereseted in >> >> > developing it, or if they develop the plugin for us. We could just >> >> > include in in the plugins section. >> >> > >> >> > Please, if you reply, include bhackerozzo >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. >> >> > >> >> > Greets. >> >> > >> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> >> > From: bhackerozzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Date: Jun 2, 2006 2:02 AM >> >> > Subject: SMS messaging plugin >> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Message body follows: >> >> > >> >> > Hello, i'm an italian student, and i often use your nice >> >> > aMSN in my notebook to chat with my friends. >> >> > Please, have some minute for me, and sorry for my *not from >> >> > oxford* english :) >> >> > >> >> > Many non-free instant messaging programs (as msn >> >> > messenger,icq, and other ones) are capable to send sms to >> >> > mobile phones, but i did not ever seen an open source one >> >> > that offers this feature as a professional feature. >> >> > And it's clear that your project is one of the biggest ones >> >> > in instant messaging field. >> >> > I write to you about this facts, because i work for a young >> >> > company, DadoJ Srl, that deals with high quality sms related >> >> > services. For high quality, i mean the ability to deliver >> >> > sms in few seconds to mobile phones of almost all the world, >> >> > and also with status reporting. >> >> > As far as i know, the only client that offers somewhat sms >> >> > is gaim, but i heard that it works with ICQ protocol and in >> >> > US and Canada only, perhaps with limitations. >> >> > >> >> > I'm proposing to you to add to aMSN the capability for users >> >> > to send sms to their friends (regardless of the place they >> >> > live in), and also to earn from it. >> >> > Of course you'd have all our support for design and coding. >> >> > Please consider that such a service may result in several >> >> > advantages for you and your project: >> >> > - it would be the first big open source project to offer >> >> > this service to its users. >> >> > - you would of course earn money for each sent sms, >> >> > encouraging the project development. >> >> > - then, we could show that it is possible to make money with >> >> > free software, supplying services. >> >> > - many users may be attracted from this feature and switch >> >> > from their actual client to yours, since it would be a plus >> >> > for an instant messaging program. >> >> > >> >> > For instance, user payments maybe managed in a prepaid way >> >> > with PayPal, such as Skype does with its users. >> >> > If you think that offering commercial services in a free >> >> > software program is against and its philosophy (Mr.Stallman >> >> > would not believe that), then i would be sorry for >> >> > disturbing you. But, more likely, if you are even a bit >> >> > interested to this idea, feel free to contact me via email: >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > or via messenger: >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> >> > We can discuss about every solution, since we are open to >> >> > everything! >> >> > >> >> > Regards, >> >> > >> >> > Angelo Marletta, >> >> > DadoJ Srl >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > This message has been sent to you, a registered SourceForge.net >> user, >> >> > by another site user, through the SourceForge.net site. This >> message >> >> > has been delivered to your SourceForge.net mail alias. 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