Is it a private university ? (Anyway, it's out of question for me to go at your Univ :p) Phil
Le Thursday 29 June 2006 18:10, Youness Alaoui a écrit : > ouch, at poly (my school) they really fucked us good... > long story short, they made us pay for a 'special program' where laptops > were mandatory in classes and the laptops HAD to be the uni's laptops, for > which we had to pay alot (1500$ a year..) to RENT them (can't buy and we > had to rent their laptops even if we had one already). And we had a huge > flamewar with the managers of the program where we isnulted them and > everything (around 50 emails a day for almost a month, with very furious > students) and they said the prices were high because of the licenses, > which in the end was false because we verified the license fees directly > with the suppliers and they said that the prices the uni gave us were > wrong and some licenses were a 'one license, unlimited users', so they > didn't have to pay anything... anyways. Their insurance was that we would > have the top-notch, latest laptop every year, and everyone would have all > the softwares installed for the courses... > 1 - most of the software installed for which we were paying hundreds of > dollars of licenses were NEVER used because we didn't have any courses > that needed them > 2 - after one year, they told us 'fuck you' and they wanted to give us > again the old pcs.. that's where the riot exploded.. > in the end, we wanted to keep the laptops because the price we paid was > already the price of a new laptop, and those laptops were so lame, they > were really crappy ones (and they were celeron 800 iirc, it was 4 years > ago I think) but they decided to be 'nice' and wanted to SELL them to us > for an additional 1500$ ... > in the end, they sold them to first year students, whcih knew nothing of > the whole thing and bought used, obsolete, half destroyed laptops at the > price of a new laptop.. (they were celeron 800, and at that time, I had > just bought a centrino 1.5GHz, so it was still very obsolete)... > > the project was renamed "projet arnaque" (project scam) and Polytechnique > is now known by us as being not a school but a research facility where the > the money is funded by the students of which the administrations think of > as "oil facilities" (on nous prends pour des puits de petrole) or cows > (they're trying to milk us). > > just a little OT to tell you how we got screwed... > > > KaKaRoTo > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:54:51 -0400, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote: > >> at uni, but you don't have access to the CDs to install it on your > >> laptop > >> or at home for example, no ? > > > > For us here, we just go to somewhere on a M$ website with our univ un/pw, > > and we can either download everything we like (apart frmo M$ Office) or > > ask them to put it on a CD for us and go fetch it at the NOC. That's for > > what you install at home. PCs at the university have their own licenses. > > > > And it's what Jerome said, it's a license for all the students at a very > > reduced price for those who pay it. > > > >> KKRT > >> > >> On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:10:17 -0400, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer > >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > For us, we have everything free at University, legal. > >> > > >> > Visual Studio Full Version .net, Windows XP Pro SP2, and almost all > >> > Microsoft products. > >> > > >> > Le 28 juin 2006 à 12:08, Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit : > >> >> I think it's a good idea as I use only VC++6 (official version > >> >> bought at > >> >> reduced prices as a student) except for Winflash... (For that > >> >> please look at > >> >> my other mail :d) > >> >> Phil > >> >> > >> >> Le Tuesday 27 June 2006 23:22, Youness Alaoui a écrit : > >> >>> Nah, not stupid, I was about to suggest it (which is why it's not > >> >>> stupid > >> >>> ^o) :P) > >> >>> We already have some project files, but not all.. we have .vcproj > >> >>> and .sln > >> >>> for tkcximage I think but that's the .NET project files, I prefer > >> >>> the .dsp > >> >>> and .dsw files, anyways, whatever we add, it should be the same > >> >>> version of > >> >>> VS for all the projects (I would vote for .dsp/.dsw.. if someone > >> >>> has .NEt, > >> >>> then VS will convert the dsp file, if you have only VS6 and we > >> >>> used .sln > >> >>> files, it just won't be able to open it). > >> >>> Also, I dont' want any .opt or .ncb files, only the .dsp + .dsw > >> >>> files are > >> >>> needed. > >> >>> > >> >>> KKRT > >> >>> > >> >>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:09:16 -0400, Sander Hoentjen > >> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>>> pleased to meet you, I am big brother, and I am watching you :P > >> >>>> Anyway, isn't it a good idea to keep project files on svn, just > >> >>>> as we > >> >>>> have Makefile etc, or is that a stupid thing to say? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 23:06 +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: > >> >>>>> I said to myself : I hope nobody will ask for this change :p > >> >>>>> Hehem... :d > >> >>>>> It's simply because I think we shouldn't have to modify the code > >> > >> to > >> > >> >>>>> decide if > >> >>>>> we want to compile with stubs or not... > >> >>>>> I added these defines in the project file (which isn't on the > >> >>>>> repo) so > >> >>>>> if I > >> >>>>> want to disable stubs for any reason, it's only on my project > >> >>>>> and the > >> >>>>> code > >> >>>>> isn't compromised.... > >> >>>>> So don't worry, defines are here but not in the same place... > >> >>>>> Phil > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Le Tuesday 27 June 2006 22:41, Sander Hoentjen a écrit : > >> >>>>>> On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 13:11 -0700, > >> >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>> Modified: trunk/amsn/utils/windows/winutils/winutils.h > >> > >> ================================================================= > >> > >> >>>>>>> == > >> >>>>>>> --- trunk/amsn/utils/windows/winutils/winutils.h 2006-06-27 > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> 18:39:50 UTC > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>>> (rev 6987) > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> +++ trunk/amsn/utils/windows/winutils/winutils.h 2006-06-27 > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>>> 20:11:40 UTC (rev 6988) @@ -10,9 +10,6 @@ > >> >>>>>>> #ifndef _WINUTILS > >> >>>>>>> #define _WINUTILS > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> -#define USE_TCL_STUBS > >> >>>>>>> -#define USE_TK_STUBS > >> >>>>>>> - > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Why? I don't know much but in the man pages I read: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Enabling the stubs mechanism for an extension requires the > >> >>>>>> following > >> >>>>>> steps: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> 1) > >> >>>>>> Call Tcl_InitStubs in the extension before calling any > >> >>>>>> other > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Tcl > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> functions. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> 2) > >> >>>>>> Define the USE_TCL_STUBS symbol. Typically, you would > >> >>>>>> include > >> >>>>>> the -DUSE_TCL_STUBS flag when compiling the extension. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> 3) > >> >>>>>> Link the extension with the Tcl stubs library instead > >> >>>>>> of the > >> >>>>>> standard Tcl library. On Unix platforms, the library > >> >>>>>> name is > >> >>>>>> libtclstub8.1.a; on Windows platforms, the library name > >> > >> is > >> > >> >>>>>> tclstub81.lib. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> If the extension also requires the Tk API, it must also call > >> >>>>>> Tk_InitStubs to initialize the Tk stubs interface and link with > >> >>>>>> the Tk > >> >>>>>> stubs libraries. See the Tk_InitStubs page for more information. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> So.. I don't understand why you removed them. I know you will > >> >>>>>> have a > >> >>>>>> good reason but I just want to know it too :) > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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Need to support web services, > >> >>>> security? > >> >>>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make > >> >>>> your job > >> >>>> easier > >> >>>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > >> >>>> Geronimo > >> >>>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > >> >>>> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> Amsn-devel mailing list > >> >>>> [email protected] > >> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel > >> >> > >> >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > >> >> security? > >> >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > >> >> job easier > >> >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > >> >> Geronimo > >> >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > >> >> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Amsn-devel mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel > >> > > >> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > >> > >> security? > >> > >> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > >> > easier > >> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > >> > Geronimo > >> > >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Amsn-devel mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel > >> > >> -- > >> KaKaRoTo > >> > >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > >> security? > >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > >> easier > >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > >> Geronimo > >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Amsn-devel mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel > > > > --- > > > > "Where is the life that we have lost in living? > > Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge? > > Where is the knowledge that we have lost in information?" > > > > OEO; Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? 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