Hi Karel, Thanks for taking the time to write us. About clgui.tcl, yes, that's the 3rd one.. the design is good because of the snit OO thing, but I don't know about bg image or performance. about the old/new cl that burger started, I don't know either about the performance, but I think that burger said it was very fast and afaik, it IS very fast, or at least, no flickering and a lot faster than the current CL. I think we should go with that one burger started, and we should first do some tests with it, by simulating (or using an a huge account) a CL with 500 users, if it goes well in those conditions, then we're sure it's fast enough, if it's faster than the current CL, even if it's slow, it still is an improvement, and if it's slow, then I think we should be able to fix it the right way : do a performance test on it to know which functions take the longest! then optimize those bits instead of a total rewrite. We can't use that method on the current CL because the code is too badly written and it really needs a rewrite, as long as the design is good, we should go with it. And since I think that Phil has been working on that one, and he said that the design was good, then I'd say stick with it, optimize it later (or during the development). All we want is for it to be faster than the current CL, if it's doable, then we're good, all we get is a bg image and drag and drop, it's still an improvement.. if the performance is worst, then there's the problem. what do you think?
KKRT On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 11:42:16AM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote: > I didn't get the other mails (because of my spam filter I think) but I > see Phil calling me a liar :p > > What I said is that the one I made with snit objects (clgui.tcl) doesn't > support and never will support background images. But, I think this is > a better design then the guicontactlist.tcl one (the one you want to > make default now, which was started by Burger but where I did a lot of > work on). Tom's contactlist.tcl is somewhat the same design as > clgui.tcl but uses his own widgets for placing widgets on a canvas. > This makes background images etc possible and is very beautiful, well > designed etc... but imo it's rather slow. guicontactlist.tcl was > promising and I believed it wasn't going to be slow but now it just it > while there's a lot still unfinished. > I vote (if that's still possible) for something like clgui.tcl but > without first changing the whole abook.tcl code to something snit-based. > This is what stopped me further working on it. > I also said, once you support a background image but then see the new CL > you have is too slow you can't change easily to one without background > images. > > > > Karel. > > > > Op maandag 04-12-2006 om 00:53 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Youness > Alaoui: > > wooow.. wait! there are THREE new CLs... lol, > > the one that burger did with a canvas (that was almost functional), then > > the one Karel did with snit objects (as a proof of concept), then > > the one Tom did with a 'very nice ui'... > > At first, I was talking about the one done by burger with a canvas and on > > which everyone worked so hard to make it almost complete... > > if you want to choose another one of those, then go with it, but those are > > too 'unfinished' to be easable, so it will be a full rewrite of > > the CL instead of just bugfixing what was left to do... > > > > KKRT > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 03, 2006 at 07:52:23PM +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On 12/3/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >Hum... so Karel is a liar... he said me we can't add a background on your > > > >new > > > >CL... > > > > > > > > > Well, it's a canvas, so you can. At the momnent it uses a scalable-bg, but > > > it could easily be changed so it's just an image.... whatever. A good > > > feature of this CL is it has a search box to search for contacts (no > > > longer > > > does it as-you-type though, that was too slow!) To add some test contacts > > > to > > > the list you can call "speedycontacts" (no quotes obv). Also correction to > > > my previous post saying how to show this CL, it should be: > > > > > > pack forget .main;source contactlist.tcl;pack [contactlist .cl] -expand > > > true > > > -fill both > > > > > > > > > Well... So maybe it's a bad choice I did... > > > >Why Youness isn't here ? :d > > > >Well... Which CL will we choose ? > > > >Phil > > > > > > > >Le Sunday 03 December 2006 19:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: > > > >> On 12/3/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil < > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > We are using the newCL from guicontactlist done originally by Karel > > > >> > -> > > > >> > look at > > > >> > all my commits on it :p > > > >> > > > >> Okay! > > > >> > > > >> And the contact list in contactlist.tcl can't include a background... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> It can and does, but the question is academic now we aren't using it :P > > > >> > > > >> Phil > > > >> > > > >> > Le Sunday 03 December 2006 19:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: > > > >> > > Hold on a minute everyone, which contact list are we using? There's > > > >two > > > >> > > "new" ones, the one originally made (by Burger to start with, I > > > >think) > > > >> > > which is in guicontactlist.tcl and the one I made in > > > >> > > contactlist.tcl > > > >. > > > >> > > > > >> > (you > > > >> > > > > >> > > can see this by doing pack forget main.tcl;source contactlist.tcl > > > >;pack > > > >> > > [contactlist .cl] -expand true -fill both > > > >> > > > > > >> > > We need to get rid of whichever we arent using... (I dont mind > > > >which, > > > >> > > although I think the more recent one (contactlist.tcl) is less > > > >cludgy > > > >> > > > > >> > and > > > >> > > > > >> > > has more potential for graphical niceness...it might be a little > > > >> > > bit > > > >> > > > > >> > slower > > > >> > > > > >> > > though... but it doesnt redraw everytime something happens (dont > > > >know > > > >> > > if other one does...) be aware it also isnt hooked up to protocol > > > >> > > at > > > >> > > the moment, so it wont show your contacts, and the top info is > > > >faked. > > > >> > > But > > > >> > > > > >> > you > > > >> > > > > >> > > can see the graphical niceness of it...) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Cheers, > > > >> > > Tom > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On 12/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > Yeah, think its referring to when dragging contacts. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On 12/3/06, NoWhereMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > NoWhereMan wrote: > > > >> > > > > > Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote: > > > >> > > > > >>> how can I see your progresses with the new CL ? I'm curious > > > >:D > > > >> > > > > >> > what > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> do I have to type in the status log? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> If it makes you feeling coding : > > > >> > > > > >>>> guiContactList::createCLWindow > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I guess it still won't, but who knows :D > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > I see this todo: "scroll the canvas while dragging..." you mean > > > >> > > > > this behaviour was _by design_ ?? > > > >> > > > > I mean, I always believed the side-scroll-on-drag thing was due > > > >to > > > >> > > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > fact > > > >> > > > > the old CL is a text widget. > > > >> > > > > O_O I never liked that; or am I missing something? > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > If I were in you I would just drop that, and trim the > > > >overflowing > > > >> > > > > >> > text > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (of > > > >> > > > > the PSM) with an ellipsis (...) as you do with the nick; all > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > >> > text > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > should > > > >> > > > > *always* be bound to its container (even if it's just a > > > >background > > > >> > > > > image > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > ;)). > > > >> > > > > Complete text should appear *only* in the tooltip, as a text > > > >> > > > > overflowing on > > > >> > > > > the right and without an horizontal scrollbar in the window > > > >looks > > > >> > > > > >> > bad > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > and > > > >> > > > > weird. > > > >> > > > > But please don't add the horizontal scrollbar for that, as IMO > > > >it > > > >> > > > > >> > would > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > look > > > >> > > > > even worse :D > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > If you are talking about using drag-n-drop to re-sort your > > > >contacts > > > >> > > > > >> > or > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > something, then forget about this comment :D > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > bye > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >-- > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Take Surveys. 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