It's a good point, I didn't want to get involved with this 'yet another option' 
thing but your view menu idea 
makes sense... 
then it would mean
on click -> foreach win $all_chat_windows {
  pack forget [GetButtonBarForWin $win]
}

(or pack instead of pack forget)

KKRT


On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 11:08:59PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote:
> By the way, I don't want to sound arrogant or something and I really
> appreciate your work, Dan;  it's just my "interface designer"'s view on it
> :)
> 
> Friendly greeting,
> 
> Karel.
> 
> 2007/4/30, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >I didn't apply the patch but it looks like it adds yet another option to
> >the preferences window.  We should have a procedure of having a discussion
> >about every option added there to avoid that window to be overcrowded.
> >So; why isn't it just having a checkbox in the chatwindow's "View" menu to
> >enable/disable the bar in {that particular window / all windows} (choose 
> >the
> >one you think that is best) and this option being remembered (being a
> >::config var) ?
> >
> >Karel.
> >
> >2007/4/30, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> It looks good, but I would say that maybe it would be better to just
> >> create an empty frame instead of removing
> >> the buttonbar..
> >> the reason is that if you send the event for the chat window to the
> >> plugins and you don't specify the buttons
> >> variable, plugins might bug because they expect it to exist.
> >> By setting an empty frame, you allow them to still depend on that
> >> variable without crashing..
> >> or a better solution, just keep the code as it was, but don't do the
> >> pack.. the buttonbar will be created but as
> >> long as it's not packed, it won't appear...
> >> I think that's the best solution...
> >> can you patch your patch (:p) and send me the new patch so I can apply
> >> it? thanks
> >>
> >> p.s.: about lang keys, I don't know the exact procedures, but I think
> >> you should just provide the english
> >> translation and leave the translators the task to translate it (allows
> >> for a better coherence in translation)..
> >> you could also maybe post to amsn-lang with your translations after
> >> reading the translation HOWTO, or finally,
> >> wait until Alvaro or Vivia answer this thread and tell you what to do
> >> for the translation.. I think they'll say
> >> to keep it as is and to apply the patch with the translations in one
> >> shot.
> >> p.p.s:
> >> langen: showbuttonbar Show button bar in chats
> >> I would say "in chat windows".. and the french translation "dnas les
> >> causeries" lol, I'd say "dans les fenetres
> >> de conversation", who calls them 'causerie' ?  anyways, maybe someone
> >> should review the translations after all..
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot for the patch, it's great to see contributions :)
> >>
> >> KKRT
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 08:04:13PM +0100, Dan Searle wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >    I  noticed in the TODO list there was a item of "Option to display
> >> > or not the chat button bar". I have implemented this and done the
> >> > relevant translations for French and Spanish, However I'm not totally
> >> > sure of their accuracy. So if someone could be kind to apply my patch
> >> > :). And if anyone wants to help with any translations that would be
> >> > appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > === showhidechatbar.patch ===
> >> >
> >> > Index: chatwindow.tcl
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- chatwindow.tcl      (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ chatwindow.tcl      (working copy)
> >> > @@ -1904,12 +1904,16 @@
> >> >
> >> >                # Create the other widgets for the bottom frame
> >> >                set input [CreateInputFrame $w $leftframe]
> >> > -               set buttons [CreateButtonBar $w $leftframe]
> >> >                set picture [CreatePictureFrame $w $bottom]
> >> >
> >> > -               pack $buttons -side top -expand false -fill x -anchor
> >> n \
> >> > -                               -padx [::skin::getKey
> >> chat_buttons_padx] \
> >> > -                               -pady [::skin::getKey
> >> chat_buttons_pady]
> >> > +               if {[::config::getKey ShowButtonBar] == 1 } {
> >> > +                       set buttons [CreateButtonBar $w $leftframe]
> >> > +
> >> > +                       pack $buttons -side top -expand false -fill x
> >> > -anchor n \
> >> > +                                       -padx [::skin::getKey
> >> > chat_buttons_padx] \
> >> > +                                       -pady [::skin::getKey
> >> > chat_buttons_pady]
> >> > +               }
> >> > +
> >> >                pack $input -side top -expand true -fill both -anchor n
> >> \
> >> >                                -padx [::skin::getKey chat_input_padx]
> >> \
> >> >                                -pady [::skin::getKey chat_input_pady]
> >> > @@ -1925,7 +1929,9 @@
> >> >
> >> >                #send chatwininput postevent
> >> >                set evPar(input) $input
> >> > -               set evPar(buttons) $buttons
> >> > +               if {[::config::getKey ShowButtonBar] == 1 } {
> >> > +                       set evPar(buttons) $buttons
> >> > +               }
> >> >                set evPar(picture) $picture
> >> >                set evPar(window) "$w"
> >> >
> >> > Index: lang/langen
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- lang/langen (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ lang/langen (working copy)
> >> > @@ -752,6 +752,7 @@
> >> > shareswebcam Shares webcam
> >> > showbanner Show aMSN's banner
> >> > showblockedlist Show list of people who blocked you
> >> > +showbuttonbar Show button bar in chats
> >> > showcachedpics Show cached display pictures
> >> > show_contactdps_in_cl Show thumbnails of contacts Display Pictures in
> >> > Contact List
> >> > showcontactemail Show Contacts with E-mail
> >> > Index: lang/langes
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- lang/langes (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ lang/langes (working copy)
> >> > @@ -756,6 +756,7 @@
> >> > shareswebcam Usuario con cámara web
> >> > showbanner Mostrar el cartel de aMSN en la lista de contactos
> >> > showblockedlist Mostrar contactos que te bloquean
> >> > +showbuttonbar Mostrar la barra del botón en charlas
> >> > showcachedpics Mostrar imágenes para mostrar almacenadas
> >> > show_contactdps_in_cl Mostrar miniaturas de las imágenes para 
> >mostrar
> >> > en la lista de contactos
> >> > showcontactemail Mostrar el email de los contactos
> >> > Index: lang/langfr
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- lang/langfr (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ lang/langfr (working copy)
> >> > @@ -752,6 +752,7 @@
> >> > shareswebcam Possède une webcam
> >> > showbanner Affiche la bannière d'aMSN
> >> > showblockedlist Voir la liste des personnes que vous avez bloqué
> >> > +showbuttonbar Montrer la barre de bouton dans les causeries
> >> > showcachedpics Afficher/Masquer les avatars cachés
> >> > show_contactdps_in_cl Montrer les avatars dans la liste des contacts
> >> > showcontactemail Voir les contacts par leur email
> >> > Index: preferences.tcl
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- preferences.tcl     (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ preferences.tcl     (working copy)
> >> > @@ -1698,8 +1698,12 @@
> >> >        pack $lfname.4.mdy $lfname.4.dmy $lfname.4.ymd -side left -padx
> >> 10
> >> >
> >> >        checkbutton $lfname.5.dock -text "[trans trayicon]" -onvalue 1
> >> > -offvalue 0 -variable [::config::getVar dock]
> >> > +
> >> > +       checkbutton $lfname.5.showbuttonbar -text "[trans
> >> > showbuttonbar]" -onvalue 1 -offvalue 0 -variable [::config::getVar
> >> dock]
> >> > +
> >> >
> >> >        pack $lfname.5.dock -anchor w -side top -padx 10 -pady 0
> >> > +       pack $lfname.5.showbuttonbar -anchor w -side top -padx 10
> >> -pady 0
> >> >        pack $lfname.5 -side top -padx 0 -pady 0 -expand 1 -fill both
> >> >
> >> >        label $lfname.6.llook -text "[trans psmplace]" -padx 10
> >> > @@ -1710,7 +1714,8 @@
> >> >        radiobutton $lfname.6.newline -text "[trans psmnewline]" -value
> >> > 2 -variable [::config::getVar psmplace]
> >> >        pack $lfname.6.dontshow $lfname.6.atend $lfname.6.newline
> >> > -anchor w -side top -padx 10
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > +
> >> > +
> >> >        ## Emoticons Frame ##
> >> >        set lfname [labelframe $frm.lfname2 -text [trans prefemotic]]
> >> >        pack $frm.lfname2 -anchor n -side top -expand 0 -fill x
> >> > Index: config.tcl
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- config.tcl  (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ config.tcl  (working copy)
> >> > @@ -43,6 +43,7 @@
> >> >
> >> > ;#Changed later for windows to 4
> >> >                ::config::setKey showmailicon 1
> >> >                ::config::setKey dock 1
> >> > +               ::config::setKey ShowButtonBar 1
> >> >                ::config::setKey show_contactdps_in_cl 0
> >> >
> >> >                ::config::setKey autoresizedp 0
> >> > Index: TODO
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- TODO        (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ TODO        (working copy)
> >> > @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@
> >> >        ************************************************
> >> >
> >> >        ** General issues **
> >> > --      Option to display or not the chat button bar
> >> > +DONE   Option to display or not the chat button bar
> >> > -      Add option to modify keepalive interval (in seconds)
> >> > DONE   Make a Pure PNG Reader (will be used for buddy icons +
> >> > filetransfer previews, and maybe other stuff)
> >> > DONE   In the Privacy tab, if 2 users have exactly the same nickname
> >> in
> >> > a listbox, we can control only the first user
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Index: chatwindow.tcl
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- chatwindow.tcl    (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ chatwindow.tcl    (working copy)
> >> > @@ -1904,12 +1904,16 @@
> >> >
> >> >               # Create the other widgets for the bottom frame
> >> >               set input [CreateInputFrame $w $leftframe]
> >> > -             set buttons [CreateButtonBar $w $leftframe]
> >> >               set picture [CreatePictureFrame $w $bottom]
> >> >
> >> > -             pack $buttons -side top -expand false -fill x -anchor n
> >> \
> >> > -                             -padx [::skin::getKey chat_buttons_padx]
> >> \
> >> > -                             -pady [::skin::getKey chat_buttons_pady]
> >> > +             if {[::config::getKey ShowButtonBar] == 1 } {
> >> > +                     set buttons [CreateButtonBar $w $leftframe]
> >> > +
> >> > +                     pack $buttons -side top -expand false -fill x
> >> -anchor n \
> >> > +                                     -padx [::skin::getKey
> >> chat_buttons_padx] \
> >> > +                                     -pady [::skin::getKey
> >> chat_buttons_pady]
> >> > +             }
> >> > +
> >> >               pack $input -side top -expand true -fill both -anchor n
> >> \
> >> >                               -padx [::skin::getKey chat_input_padx] \
> >> >                               -pady [::skin::getKey chat_input_pady]
> >> > @@ -1925,7 +1929,9 @@
> >> >
> >> >               #send chatwininput postevent
> >> >               set evPar(input) $input
> >> > -             set evPar(buttons) $buttons
> >> > +             if {[::config::getKey ShowButtonBar] == 1 } {
> >> > +                     set evPar(buttons) $buttons
> >> > +             }
> >> >               set evPar(picture) $picture
> >> >               set evPar(window) "$w"
> >> >
> >> > Index: lang/langen
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- lang/langen       (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ lang/langen       (working copy)
> >> > @@ -752,6 +752,7 @@
> >> >  shareswebcam Shares webcam
> >> >  showbanner Show aMSN's banner
> >> >  showblockedlist Show list of people who blocked you
> >> > +showbuttonbar Show button bar in chats
> >> >  showcachedpics Show cached display pictures
> >> >  show_contactdps_in_cl Show thumbnails of contacts Display Pictures in
> >> Contact List
> >> >  showcontactemail Show Contacts with E-mail
> >> > Index: lang/langes
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- lang/langes       (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ lang/langes       (working copy)
> >> > @@ -756,6 +756,7 @@
> >> >  shareswebcam Usuario con c??mara web
> >> >  showbanner Mostrar el cartel de aMSN en la lista de contactos
> >> >  showblockedlist Mostrar contactos que te bloquean
> >> > +showbuttonbar Mostrar la barra del bot?n en charlas
> >> >  showcachedpics Mostrar im??genes para mostrar almacenadas
> >> >  show_contactdps_in_cl Mostrar miniaturas de las im??genes para
> >> mostrar en la lista de contactos
> >> >  showcontactemail Mostrar el email de los contactos
> >> > Index: lang/langfr
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- lang/langfr       (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ lang/langfr       (working copy)
> >> > @@ -752,6 +752,7 @@
> >> >  shareswebcam Poss?de une webcam
> >> >  showbanner Affiche la banni?re d'aMSN
> >> >  showblockedlist Voir la liste des personnes que vous avez bloqu?
> >> > +showbuttonbar Montrer la barre de bouton dans les causeries
> >> >  showcachedpics Afficher/Masquer les avatars cach?s
> >> >  show_contactdps_in_cl Montrer les avatars dans la liste des contacts
> >> >  showcontactemail Voir les contacts par leur email
> >> > Index: preferences.tcl
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- preferences.tcl   (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ preferences.tcl   (working copy)
> >> > @@ -1698,8 +1698,12 @@
> >> >       pack $lfname.4.mdy $lfname.4.dmy $lfname.4.ymd -side left -padx
> >> 10
> >> >
> >> >       checkbutton $lfname.5.dock -text "[trans trayicon]" -onvalue 1
> >> -offvalue 0 -variable [::config::getVar dock]
> >> > +
> >> > +     checkbutton $lfname.5.showbuttonbar -text "[trans
> >> showbuttonbar]" -onvalue 1 -offvalue 0 -variable [::config::getVar dock]
> >> > +
> >> >
> >> >       pack $lfname.5.dock -anchor w -side top -padx 10 -pady 0
> >> > +     pack $lfname.5.showbuttonbar -anchor w -side top -padx 10 -pady
> >> 0
> >> >       pack $lfname.5 -side top -padx 0 -pady 0 -expand 1 -fill both
> >> >
> >> >       label $lfname.6.llook -text "[trans psmplace]" -padx 10
> >> > @@ -1710,7 +1714,8 @@
> >> >       radiobutton $lfname.6.newline -text "[trans psmnewline]" -value
> >> 2 -variable [::config::getVar psmplace]
> >> >       pack $lfname.6.dontshow $lfname.6.atend $lfname.6.newline
> >> -anchor w -side top -padx 10
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > +
> >> > +
> >> >       ## Emoticons Frame ##
> >> >       set lfname [labelframe $frm.lfname2 -text [trans prefemotic]]
> >> >       pack $frm.lfname2 -anchor n -side top -expand 0 -fill x
> >> > Index: config.tcl
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- config.tcl        (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ config.tcl        (working copy)
> >> > @@ -43,6 +43,7 @@
> >> >
> >> ;#Changed later for windows to 4
> >> >               ::config::setKey showmailicon 1
> >> >               ::config::setKey dock 1
> >> > +             ::config::setKey ShowButtonBar 1
> >> >               ::config::setKey show_contactdps_in_cl 0
> >> >
> >> >               ::config::setKey autoresizedp 0
> >> > Index: TODO
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- TODO      (revision 8527)
> >> > +++ TODO      (working copy)
> >> > @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@
> >> >       ************************************************
> >> >
> >> >       ** General issues **
> >> > --    Option to display or not the chat button bar
> >> > +DONE Option to display or not the chat button bar
> >> >  -    Add option to modify keepalive interval (in seconds)
> >> >  DONE Make a Pure PNG Reader (will be used for buddy icons +
> >> filetransfer previews, and maybe other stuff)
> >> >  DONE In the Privacy tab, if 2 users have exactly the same nickname in
> >> a listbox, we can control only the first user
> >>
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