"Editors" could also work - does it count IP edits? AIUI (I may have got this wrong) if we disable HTTPS it shouldn't affect the normal reading experience for a passer-by - it should work without too many problems. (After all, it worked fine six months ago)
But actually logging in *requires* the use of https, and thus if you disable https for IE6 users they won't be able to log in - so we'll be effectively blocking any users restricted to IE6 only, as Chris notes above. Which is, of course, a major issue if there are active editors using the browser, less critical if they're all readers... Andrew. On 16 October 2014 00:02, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: > Sensible! I could. The code is already running, mind, so it would require a > restart. But, I'm not seeing why "logged-in" people are a distinct subgroup > for the purpose of disabling HTTPS. If we just want "editors", I can get > editors, of course. > > On 15 October 2014 17:45, Andrew Gray <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Is there any way you can look at traffic for particular pages? If so, >> you could look at traffic to something like Special:Watchlist or >> Special:UserLogin on a representative sample of wikis - anyone using >> these two pages is very likely to represent a logged-in user, and >> traffic numbers to them are high enough you might get useful data even >> with the sampling limits. >> >> Andrew. >> >> >> On 15 October 2014 21:50, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Darnit. Ah well! Okay; finished building the code to retrieve this data. >> > Takes ~400 seconds to handle a day of logs, so take into account >> > parallelisation and I should (should!) have something to show in a >> > couple of >> > hours for the first 3 Qs. The fourth, it seems, is beyond our ken. >> > >> > On 15 October 2014 15:54, Max Semenik <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> There's no data for IE6 in EventLogging because IE6 gets no JS these >> >> days. >> >> Maybe, if there's old enough data... >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Update: Yuvi's pointed me towards a login attempts schema. All 4 are >> >>> doable. Data tomorrow morning EST at the latest. >> >>> >> >>> On 15 October 2014 15:19, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> (With "jiffy" read "a day"; even with sampling, big logs are big, and >> >>>> I >> >>>> imagine we probably want ~30 days of data.) >> >>>> >> >>>> On 15 October 2014 15:18, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> First three are pretty trivial; last one is a bit of a pain, but >> >>>>> doable >> >>>>> if someone wants to poke me on IRC (/query Ironholds) and chat about >> >>>>> what an >> >>>>> unambiguous successful login action would look like in terms of >> >>>>> requests. >> >>>>> But I can do the first three in a jiffy. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 15 October 2014 13:32, Brandon Black <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Oliver Keyes >> >>>>>> <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> You invoked my name! >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Emphasis is "logged-in". If you guys want more solid overall >> >>>>>>> numbers, >> >>>>>>> I can get those in short order; this seems like a pretty critical >> >>>>>>> question >> >>>>>>> to have data on, fast. Lemme know. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If you can source some good reliable numbers, probably what we care >> >>>>>> about (all of which have been estimated to some degree in this >> >>>>>> thread >> >>>>>> already, I think?) is: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> % of all requests from IE6 >> >>>>>> % of all https requests from IE6 >> >>>>>> % of all text/html https requests from IE6 (not so important IMHO, >> >>>>>> if >> >>>>>> it's difficult) >> >>>>>> % of all logged-in https requests (or alternatively, % of all >> >>>>>> successful https login attempts) from IE6. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Oliver Keyes >> >>>>> Research Analyst >> >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Oliver Keyes >> >>>> Research Analyst >> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Oliver Keyes >> >>> Research Analyst >> >>> Wikimedia Foundation >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Analytics mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]]) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Analytics mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Oliver Keyes >> > Research Analyst >> > Wikimedia Foundation >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Analytics mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> - Andrew Gray >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Research Analyst > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > -- - Andrew Gray [email protected] _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
