Please do take a look at desktop-only data available now: https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#desktop-site-by-os
Fedora is there but in a year and a half there is only a handful of days where usage goes over 0.05% Thanks, Nuria On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 6:42 AM, Christian Schaller <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nuria Ruiz" <[email protected]> > > To: "Christian Schaller" <[email protected]> > > Cc: "A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has > an interest in Wikipedia and analytics." > > <[email protected]>, "Tomas Popela" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:11:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats > > > > >Hmm, does not make sense to me that the traffic caused by our users > would > > be that small, > > Overall? I disagree, I think it does, think that wikipedia (our main > source > > of traffic for all wikimedia projects) is fastly moving to mobile, thus > > mobile OS are the bulk of the requests, desktop are the minority and, in > > that minority, Linux is the minority. > > Sorry I did not mean to imply that gathering the mobile statistics isn't > useful > for Wikipedia, I was just saying that grouping them with desktop data > drownes out > desktop data for smaller outfits like ourselves, making the data less > useful for > us. That said I do appreciate that you share this data as a public service > and have > no obligation to do so, so to be 100% clear; regardless of immediate > usefulness to > me I am grateful for the effort you guys are doing. So thank you :) > > > > Just looked at December 2016 overall pageviews for desktop and mobile > > coming from "users" (not self-identified-bots) and for that month about > 20% > > of pageviews are on iOS, 25% are on Android and Fedora is 0.027%. This > data > > is counting all projects for the whole world at large, probably Fedora > > represents a larger chuck of traffic in US-desktop only traffic. > > > > I think we are going to be adding a bit more info to our browser reports > > with desktop-only data but still, Fedora traffic is probably not going to > > display. > > > > >Anyway, I will install the analytics stuff myself on a local machine and > > do some testing, to see if I > > >can see a reason for things to fail register properly. > > > > If you end up committing any fix to ua-parser please let us know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Christian Schaller <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hmm, does not make sense to me that the traffic caused by our users > would > > > be that small, > > > and there is no version string for Fedora in the user agent, it is > just: > > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like > > > Gecko) Chrome/56.0.2924.87 Safari/537.36 > > > > > > Anyway, I will install the analytics stuff myself on a local machine > and > > > do some testing, to see if I > > > can see a reason for things to fail register properly. Thanks for the > > > quick and helpful answers so far. > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Nuria Ruiz" <[email protected]> > > > > To: "A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who > has > > > an interest in Wikipedia and analytics." > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > Cc: "Christian Schaller" <[email protected]>, "Tomas Popela" < > > > [email protected]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:12:28 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats > > > > > > > > Small correction, threshold of browser reporting is 0.05%: > > > > https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery/blob/ > > > master/oozie/browser/general/coordinator.properties#L62 > > > > Even for our traffic below that number reporting is really not that > > > > meaningful. Now because the way that grouping happens if 'Fedora 23' > and > > > > 'Fedora 24' (imaginary versions) have 0.025% traffic neither will get > > > > reported. This is something we would like to improve and we have a > ticket > > > > for it here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131127 (feel free to > > > chime > > > > in) > > > > > > > > Now, even with big traffic like ours there is a threshold below which > > > > reporting data is not meaningful as numbers in some instances > oscillate a > > > > lot and that means that there is more noise than signal, we will try > to > > > get > > > > an specific "desktop" tab (so only requests to desktop site are > counted) > > > > but even then, Fedora traffic might be too small to display. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 6:09 AM, Dan Andreescu < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The threshold is actually at 0.1%, though you are right that this > is > > > > > fairly arbitrary. We have sanitizing data on our goals next > quarter, > > > and > > > > > that's when we'll take a more mathematical approach at the problem. > > > > > > > > > > Original Message > > > > > From: Christian Schaller > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 08:44 > > > > > To: Dan Andreescu > > > > > Cc: A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who > has > > > an > > > > > interest in Wikipedia and analytics.; Tomas Popela > > > > > Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats > > > > > > > > > > Been thinking a bit about this and while I do appreciate the > privacy > > > > > concerns I would assume that > > > > > even if you set the threshold to 0.5% the amount of traffic on > > > Wikipedia > > > > > would still be great enough > > > > > for that to not be a real privacy risk? It is just that wikimedia > is > > > one > > > > > of the few open sources with > > > > > a huge traffic base for this kind of information and we would love > to > > > use > > > > > it as a neutral way to track > > > > > our own userbase growth in comparison with the wider market. So we > know > > > > > from our internal statistics that we > > > > > more than doubled our userbase over the last year, but having a > > > resource > > > > > like wikimedia would allow us to see > > > > > how those numbers play out in the bigger picture. So any chance of > > > > > convincing you to lower the threshold > > > > > to 0.5% to hopefully allow us to start using the statistics already > > > now? > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Christian F.K. Schaller > > > > > Manager for Fedora & Red Hat Desktop efforts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Dan Andreescu" <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: "A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody > who > > > has > > > > > an interest in Wikipedia and analytics." > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > Cc: "Christian Schaller" <[email protected]>, "Tomas Popela" < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:10:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian, > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to make sure our code is working well so I took a look. > We > > > use > > > > > UA > > > > > > Parser, a regex-based community-maintained user agent > identifier. It > > > > > > correctly identified Fedora as the OS in all of the strings I > found > > > like > > > > > > '%Fedora%' for the hour of raw webrequests I looked at. However, > > > there > > > > > > were less than 0.1% requests that were identified as Fedora. We > cut > > > off > > > > > > reporting statistics when numbers get that low for privacy > reasons. > > > But > > > > > > everything is detected correctly, so if Fedora's share of > requests > > > > > > increases, it will show up on the charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Erik Zachte < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Christian, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm forwarding your question to the WMF Analytics Team who > authored > > > > > this > > > > > > > report. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Erik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Christian Schaller [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 16:07 > > > > > > > To: Erik Zachte > > > > > > > Cc: Tomas Popela > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Os stats > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Erik, > > > > > > > Thanks for getting the new OS stats up on: > > > > > > > https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#all- > > > > > > > sites-by-os/os-family-timeseries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said as far as we can tell the detection of Fedora does > not > > > work > > > > > at > > > > > > > all currently and we can not figure out why. Ubuntu which is > > > detected > > > > > uses > > > > > > > the following user agent: > > > > > > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 > > > > > > > Firefox/52.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While Fedora which isn't detected uses this user agent: > > > > > > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 > > > > > > > Firefox/52.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you be so kind to let us know what the wikimedia > analytics > > > engine > > > > > > > uses to try to identify Fedora systems? We can tweak our user > > > agents > > > > > quite > > > > > > > easily if that is easier than updating the analytics engines > way of > > > > > > > detecting Fedora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > Christian F.K. Schaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Erik Zachte" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > To: "Christian Schaller" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:28:55 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Os stats > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Christian, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry since my previous response we put the reports on hold, > as > > > there > > > > > > > > are issues with reliability now that we migrated https almost > > > fully. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please add your signature to > > > > > > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Wikistats/ > > > > > TrafficReports/Futu > > > > > > > > re_per_report_B2 I can do it for you, but I don't know: can > I add > > > > > your > > > > > > > > full name or do you have a Wikipedia nick name that you > prefer to > > > > > use? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are working on migration of the reports. More here: > > > > > > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114379 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Erik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Christian Schaller [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 16:16 > > > > > > > > To: Erik Zachte > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Os stats > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Erik, > > > > > > > > Just checking what the current plans are for the OS > statistics > > > on the > > > > > > > > wikimedia site. As I mentioned in my first email to you, we > would > > > > > love > > > > > > > > to use these numbers as a way to estimate how we are doing > with > > > > > Fedora > > > > > > > > Linux as they are one of the few sources for such statistics > > > where we > > > > > > > > can be fairly sure the data is not biased one way or the > other > > > (due > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the huge number of people using wikipedia). Of course with > the > > > old > > > > > > > > stats being discontinued I am know waiting for the new data > to be > > > > > made > > > > > > > > available to start building my usage trend statistics :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So on the page it says to let us know if we want a specific > > > report > > > > > > > > kept, so I would like to repeat my wish that there is a > version > > > of > > > > > > > > report '2' kept available. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I realize that maintaining these website statistics > is a > > > bit > > > > > > > > of a sideshow for you guys and not a core part of what your > > > doing, so > > > > > > > > I just want to say that I do truly appreciate the effort to > try > > > to > > > > > > > > have something at all available. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Christian Schaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Erik Zachte" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > To: "Christian Schaller" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:41:40 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Os stats > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Christian, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I started a job to catch-up for the last 3 months, will > take > > > 4-5 > > > > > days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI these reports are almost end-of-life. Expect a complete > > > > > overhaul > > > > > > > > > of Wikimedia traffic and core metrics reporting based on > bigger > > > > > iron > > > > > > > > > and new paradigms (e.g. hadoop) in 2015 Q3/A4. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > Erik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Christian Schaller [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 16:46 > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > Subject: Os stats > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Erik, > > > > > > > > > Been checking out the stats on > > > > > > > > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/ > > > > > > > SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm. > > > > > > > > > Are you planning on updating that page again soon? > > > > > > > > > We are using your numbers as one of the datapoints for > > > estimating > > > > > > > > > how Fedora Linux is doing, so I hope you plan on pulling > new > > > > > numbers > > > > > > > > > from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Analytics mailing list > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Analytics mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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