Re: [Analytics] Os stats

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 08:26:29 -0700

(offlist) Nuria, I saw ‎that you said specifically in Dec. 2016 it was over 0.05, but I'm not seeing that on the graph. Maybe overall for the month it was but not for any week?

From: Nuria Ruiz
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 10:57
To: Christian Schaller
Reply To: A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics.
Cc: A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics.; Tomas Popela
Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats

Please do take a look at desktop-only data available now: https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#desktop-site-by-os 

Fedora is there but in a year and a half there is only a handful of days where usage goes over  0.05%

Thanks,

Nuria

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 6:42 AM, Christian Schaller <[email protected]> wrote:




----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nuria Ruiz" <[email protected]>
> To: "Christian Schaller" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics."
> <[email protected]>, "Tomas Popela" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:11:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats
>
> >Hmm, does not make sense to me that the traffic caused by our users would
> be that small,
> Overall? I disagree, I think it does, think that wikipedia (our main source
> of traffic for all wikimedia projects) is fastly moving to mobile, thus
> mobile OS are the bulk of the requests, desktop are the minority and, in
> that minority, Linux is the minority.

Sorry I did not mean to imply that gathering the mobile statistics isn't useful
for Wikipedia, I was just saying that grouping them with desktop data drownes out
desktop data for smaller outfits like ourselves, making the data less useful for
us. That said I do appreciate that you share this data as a public service and have
no obligation to do so, so to be 100% clear; regardless of immediate usefulness to
me I am grateful for the effort you guys are doing. So thank you :)


> Just looked at December 2016 overall pageviews for desktop and mobile
> coming from "users" (not self-identified-bots) and for that month about 20%
> of pageviews are on iOS, 25% are on Android and Fedora is 0.027%. This data
> is counting all projects for the whole world at large, probably Fedora
> represents a larger chuck of traffic in US-desktop only traffic.
>
> I think we are going to be adding a bit more info to our browser reports
> with desktop-only data but still, Fedora traffic is probably not going to
> display.
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> >Anyway, I will install the analytics stuff myself on a local machine and
> do some testing, to see if I
> >can see a reason for things to fail register properly.
>
> If you end up committing any fix to ua-parser please let us know
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> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Christian Schaller <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hmm, does not make sense to me that the traffic caused by our users would
> > be that small,
> > and there is no version string for Fedora in the user agent, it is just:
> > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like
> > Gecko) Chrome/56.0.2924.87 Safari/537.36
> >
> > Anyway, I will install the analytics stuff myself on a local machine and
> > do some testing, to see if I
> > can see a reason for things to fail register properly. Thanks for the
> > quick and helpful answers so far.
> >
> > Christian
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nuria Ruiz" <[email protected]>
> > > To: "A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has
> > an interest in Wikipedia and analytics."
> > > <[email protected]>
> > > Cc: "Christian Schaller" <[email protected]>, "Tomas Popela" <
> > [email protected]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:12:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats
> > >
> > > Small correction, threshold of browser reporting is 0.05%:
> > > https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery/blob/
> > master/oozie/browser/general/coordinator.properties#L62
> > > Even for our traffic below that number reporting is really not that
> > > meaningful. Now because the way that grouping happens if 'Fedora 23' and
> > > 'Fedora 24' (imaginary versions) have 0.025% traffic neither will get
> > > reported. This is something we would like to improve and we have a ticket
> > > for it here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131127 (feel free to
> > chime
> > > in)
> > >
> > > Now, even with big traffic like ours there is a threshold below which
> > > reporting data is not meaningful as numbers in some instances oscillate a
> > > lot and that means that there is more noise than signal, we will try to
> > get
> > > an specific "desktop" tab (so only requests to desktop site are counted)
> > > but even then, Fedora traffic might be too small to display.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 6:09 AM, Dan Andreescu <[email protected]
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The threshold is actually at 0.1%, though you are right that this is
> > > > fairly arbitrary. We have sanitizing data on our goals next quarter,
> > and
> > > > that's when we'll take a more mathematical approach at the problem.
> > > >
> > > >   Original Message
> > > > From: Christian Schaller
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 08:44
> > > > To: Dan Andreescu
> > > > Cc: A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has
> > an
> > > > interest in Wikipedia and analytics.; Tomas Popela
> > > > Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats
> > > >
> > > > Been thinking a bit about this and while I do appreciate the privacy
> > > > concerns I would assume that
> > > > even if you set the threshold to 0.5% the amount of traffic on
> > Wikipedia
> > > > would still be great enough
> > > > for that to not be a real privacy risk? It is just that wikimedia is
> > one
> > > > of the few open sources with
> > > > a huge traffic base for this kind of information and we would love to
> > use
> > > > it as a neutral way to track
> > > > our own userbase growth in comparison with the wider market. So we know
> > > > from our internal statistics that we
> > > > more than doubled our userbase over the last year, but having a
> > resource
> > > > like wikimedia would allow us to see
> > > > how those numbers play out in the bigger picture. So any chance of
> > > > convincing you to lower the threshold
> > > > to 0.5% to hopefully allow us to start using the statistics already
> > now?
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Christian F.K. Schaller
> > > > Manager for Fedora & Red Hat Desktop efforts
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dan Andreescu" <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: "A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who
> > has
> > > > an interest in Wikipedia and analytics."
> > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > Cc: "Christian Schaller" <[email protected]>, "Tomas Popela" <
> > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:10:38 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats
> > > > >
> > > > > Christian,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to make sure our code is working well so I took a look. We
> > use
> > > > UA
> > > > > Parser, a regex-based community-maintained user agent identifier. It
> > > > > correctly identified Fedora as the OS in all of the strings I found
> > like
> > > > > '%Fedora%' for the hour of raw webrequests I looked at. However,
> > there
> > > > > were less than 0.1% requests that were identified as Fedora. We cut
> > off
> > > > > reporting statistics when numbers get that low for privacy reasons.
> > But
> > > > > everything is detected correctly, so if Fedora's share of requests
> > > > > increases, it will show up on the charts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Erik Zachte <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Christian,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm forwarding your question to the WMF Analytics Team who authored
> > > > this
> > > > > > report.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Erik
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Christian Schaller [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 16:07
> > > > > > To: Erik Zachte
> > > > > > Cc: Tomas Popela
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Os stats
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Erik,
> > > > > > Thanks for getting the new OS stats up on:
> > > > > > https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#all-
> > > > > > sites-by-os/os-family-timeseries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That said as far as we can tell the detection of Fedora does not
> > work
> > > > at
> > > > > > all currently and we can not figure out why. Ubuntu which is
> > detected
> > > > uses
> > > > > > the following user agent:
> > > > > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > > > > Firefox/52.0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While Fedora which isn't detected uses this user agent:
> > > > > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > > > > Firefox/52.0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would you be so kind to let us know what the wikimedia analytics
> > engine
> > > > > > uses to try to identify Fedora systems? We can tweak our user
> > agents
> > > > quite
> > > > > > easily if that is easier than updating the analytics engines way of
> > > > > > detecting Fedora.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Christian F.K. Schaller
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Erik Zachte" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > To: "Christian Schaller" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:28:55 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: Os stats
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Christian,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry since my previous response we put the reports on hold, as
> > there
> > > > > > > are issues with reliability now that we migrated https almost
> > fully.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you please add your signature to
> > > > > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Wikistats/
> > > > TrafficReports/Futu
> > > > > > > re_per_report_B2 I can do it for you, but I don't know: can I add
> > > > your
> > > > > > > full name or do you have a Wikipedia nick name that you prefer to
> > > > use?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are working on migration of the reports. More here:
> > > > > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114379
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Erik
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Christian Schaller [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 16:16
> > > > > > > To: Erik Zachte
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Os stats
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Erik,
> > > > > > > Just checking what the current plans are for the OS statistics
> > on the
> > > > > > > wikimedia site. As I mentioned in my first email to you, we would
> > > > love
> > > > > > > to use these numbers as a way to estimate how we are doing with
> > > > Fedora
> > > > > > > Linux as they are one of the few sources for such statistics
> > where we
> > > > > > > can be fairly sure the data is not biased one way or the other
> > (due
> > > > to
> > > > > > > the huge number of people using wikipedia). Of course with the
> > old
> > > > > > > stats being discontinued I am know waiting for the new data to be
> > > > made
> > > > > > > available to start building my usage trend statistics :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So on the page it says to let us know if we want a specific
> > report
> > > > > > > kept, so I would like to repeat my wish that there is a version
> > of
> > > > > > > report '2' kept available.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyway, I realize that maintaining these website statistics is a
> > bit
> > > > > > > of a sideshow for you guys and not a core part of what your
> > doing, so
> > > > > > > I just want to say that I do truly appreciate the effort to try
> > to
> > > > > > > have something at all available.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > Christian Schaller
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Erik Zachte" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > To: "Christian Schaller" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:41:40 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Os stats
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Christian,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I started a job to catch-up for the last 3 months, will take
> > 4-5
> > > > days.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > FYI these reports are almost end-of-life. Expect a complete
> > > > overhaul
> > > > > > > > of Wikimedia traffic and core metrics reporting based on bigger
> > > > iron
> > > > > > > > and new paradigms (e.g. hadoop) in 2015 Q3/A4.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > Erik
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Christian Schaller [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 16:46
> > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > Subject: Os stats
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Erik,
> > > > > > > > Been checking out the stats on
> > > > > > > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/
> > > > > > SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm.
> > > > > > > > Are you planning on updating that page again soon?
> > > > > > > > We are using your numbers as one of the datapoints for
> > estimating
> > > > > > > > how Fedora Linux is doing, so I hope you plan on pulling new
> > > > numbers
> > > > > > > > from time to time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Christian
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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