On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 7:38 PM Leila Zia <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Pine, > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:11 PM Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Analytics, > > > > Are views of republished Wikimedia content, such as on Google and > Youtube, something that we could include in addition to Wikimedia pageview > statistics? I imagine that this would require cooperation from Alphabet and > other companies that reuse Wikimedia content. It would be nice if we could > get that cooperation. > > This is an interesting idea, and as Dan has mentioned in his response, > something that we're generally interested in. Measuring re-use can > open up a lot of opportunities for us as a Movement: that the > importance of Wikipedia does not end in Wikipedia, that the content > and knowledge is presented to different audiences through a variety of > channels. > > While we may be able to start getting some raw numbers for re-use from > specific platforms (through cooperations that you called out or other > means), the problem is much more complex than what those raw numbers > can show and a part of me is interested to address that more > fundamental question and not summarize the value of Wikipedia with > direct pageviews. We all know that the value of WP doesn't end in > Wikipedia. For example, the exact/rough value of Wikipedia for > Knowledge Vault [1] which was/is the underlying mechanism for > surfacing search results in Google and other major websites' products > is unknown to us. It is easier to measure how many times Wikipedia is > directly used in Google Home, Alexa, Google/bing/etc. search, and > harder to see the value of Wikipedia for many of the services we enjoy > using today on and outside of the Web (including search logic, > Google/Yandex/etc. translation machines, many of the advancements in > AI and ML fields (NLP field has highly benefited from WP for example > and NLP is heavily used across many industries), ...). > > From the research perspective, the really interesting and informing > research question is: what is the value of Wikipedia? (both economic > and otherwise) across the many languages. It would be great to be able > to get to the bottom of this question. If we can measure this, we have > opened up a major force to open up more doors for Wikipedia. > > Best, > Leila > > [1] > https://storage.googleapis.com/pub-tools-public-publication-data/pdf/45634.pdf > > Hi Leila, I like how you're thinking about this. I think that Lisa in Fundraising made a public statement along similar lines earlier this year, which went something like "Wikipedia is like a public utility that people take for granted." Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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