*> But this Android Dev kit has me stumped.* I have found it to be pretty straightforward... And so have hundreds, if not thousands, of other developers
*> The installation instructions are not clear at all.* I would have to disagree... *> Do I need to DL Eclipse first? * No. You can develop in Eclipse or you can use any other IDE of your choice. The developer docs are very clear on that. There are separate pages describing how to develop in Eclipse ( http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/eclipse-adt.html) and how to develop in another IDE ( http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/other-ide.html). *> Which order do things need installing? * There is no order other than what makes sense... You can't install a plugin for Eclipse until you have actually installed Eclipse. The SDK can be downloaded before or after you install Eclipse. Java needs to be installed as well, and you may not be able to run Eclipse without installing it, but there certainly is no order of installation required. Also, this page describes exactly the order they recommend: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html *> Its totally baffling and I understand why even my Android dev friends say that the iPhone OS dev kit is much easier to use.* I have yet to see how it is totally baffliing... I have never developed for the iPhone but if the iPhone OS dev kit is ANYTHING like developing for OSX I fail to see how that is possible. I have done my fair share of developing for OSX and IMHO it royally sucks. *> I've DLed and installed the Java JDK 6, Eclipse and the Android SDK. Eclipse wont start as it says it needs Java JRE* When you downloaded and installed the JDK, did you install the JRE? If not, you need to install it. Eclipse is written in Java so you need to have the JRE installed in order to run it... You may need to add the location of Java's bin folder to your path for Eclipse to work. These are general java and Eclipse issues so far and have absolutely nothing to do with Android. *> the Android SDK setup wont find the updates and says to enforce HTTP in the settings but in settings there IS no HTTP force, only HTTPS force - which is what is failing!!! *If you would actually look at the option in the SDK Setup executable you would see that it says *"Force https://... sources to be fetched using http://..."* Seems to me this is exactly what you would want... *> Why on Earth can we not have one nice neat package that just installs it all for us? * Because then that would limit all Android development to a specific version of Eclipse and Java... And that would piss off a whole lot more people than you. Not to mention the hassle of having to coordinate an installer for the Android SDK, Eclipse, the ADT plugins for Eclipse, and Java... Multiple companies with multiple license agreements... Google would probably have to get specific license permissions from each of the companies that created this software to include these things in a *"nice neat package that just installs it all for us."* *> I already have to learn Java ffs, why should I have to wrestle with installing this?* You really don't have to learn Java if you don't want to... The choice is all yours. *> Is there any guide that is not on http://developer.android.com that isn't so incomprehensible?* Have you even taken the time to read the stuff on http://developer.android.com? 90% of the questions I answer on this group I get straight from that site. I fail to see how it is "so incomprehensible." It sounds like most of your problems aren't with Android but are with Java and Eclipse in general... And for some reason you feel the need to take it all out on Android. If you really are looking for help then I would suggest that you take a look at this site and then try asking for help again... the right way. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Thanks, Justin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are only 10 types of people in the world... Those who know binary and those who don't. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Subjective Effect < [email protected]> wrote: > I've used PHP/Apache/mySQL/HTML/CSS/JavaScript for years. I've also do > a bit of ASP and vBasic coding. In order to use these tools I've had > to install various development environments in my time. > > But this Android Dev kit has me stumped. > . > The installation instructions are not clear at all. Do I need to DL > Eclipse first? Which order do things need installing? Its totally > baffling and I understand why even my Android dev friends say that the > iPhone OS dev kit is much easier to use. > > I've DLed and installed the Java JDK 6, Eclipse and the Android SDK. > Eclipse wont start as it says it needs Java JRE, the Android SDK setup > wont find the updates and says to enforce HTTP in the settings but in > settings there IS no HTTP force, only HTTPS force - which is what is > failing!!! > > Why on Earth can we not have one nice neat package that just installs > it all for us? I already have to learn Java ffs, why should I have to > wrestle with installing this? > > Is there any guide that is not on http://developer.android.com that > isn't so incomprehensible? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Beginners" group. > > NEW! 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