You lost me. I don't understand your question. Yes. There are "themes". I actually used the "Light" theme in my app as the base. They didn't really update it to look good in m5. Dark and light looked similar in m3, but only the Dark theme got changed for the update. I had to do some significant massaging of the theme to make it look better.
Why did I bother? How many apps are going to have the Dark theme? 98%. I figured sticking out a little doesn't hurt. I didnt' really mean a visual designer for the theme anyway. Having said that, I'm not sure what would be wrong with it. There are visual css designers all over the place. I do it by hand, but that's not everybody. I was referring to a visual component layout tool of some sort. Like the various swing gui design tools. The part where you lost me is the "good enough" argument. What does that mean? Was Emacs "good enough"? Its a great app, and I used to program in it, but now I use Idea and Eclipse. Weren't horses good enough? I guess if you're concerned with global warming you might say "yes", but that's a different discussion. Making the screens for android is probably less painful than other phone platforms, but I did much of my mockups in a web application because it was easily an order of magnitude faster. What would be nice is something that puts the components on the screen, lets you drag them around and set properties, builds the R resource class, then (maybe) adds them as fields to your activity. Like the endless line of desktop gui designers. But what we have is "good enough" for now ;) On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Muthu Ramadoss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin, > > We do have themes and custom layouts to decorate existing apps right? Is > that not good enough? > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Kevin Galligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > (slapping myself in the forehead...) > > > > A graphical layout designer, that could actually run on the > > emulator/phone. Ehh? The app would work as usual, then you click a > > menu option or some key combo, and the layout becomes editable (under > > the hood it actually swaps out a different activity or whatever). You > > move stuff around, hit "Done", and it sends all that to the dev > > server, recompiles and whatnot, then reloads. > > > > I assume your system does the recompiling and whatnot that way. I > > think the graphical layout editor would be a really cool addition. If > > you've already built that, say hi to the other 49 for me. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Kevin Galligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I found one set, but they didn't have an ide or anything. > > > > > > So, you would actually program on the phone? > > > > > > This is going to sound crazy, but I've been doing something halfway > > > there for a while now. Because I have a regular job and little free > > > time, and my commute is like an hour or more on the subway (total, not > > > each way), I bought a Samsung Q1 Ultra and actually program on my > > > commute. I have linux on there, intellij idea and eclipse. I didn't > > > actually run the emulator, but did coding that I ran at home. > > > > > > The two big hurdles are the lack of real keyboard and the screen size > > > makes programming difficult. Other than that, processor speed and > > > whatnot are distant thirds or less. The keyboard and screen size are > > > the biggest problems, respectively. > > > > > > My Samsung sucks to program on, but for what it is, its ridiculously > > > good. The screen size isn't so bad. There is a mini split keyboard. > > > Not great, but it works. Its what I needed. The real value wasn't > > > for programming so much as getting me geared up before I got home, and > > > to do some thinking about the app. > > > > > > My suggestions would be to focus on the hot key/macro support. I > > > think if I'd spent a few hours defining hot keys in Idea that worked > > > really well with the Samsung, it would've been significantly better. > > > This will help with the keyboard issues. > > > > > > My other suggestion would be maybe focus less on full development and > > > focus instead on a "tweaking" platform. Maybe you could edit the > > > layout xml files, or the styles, animations, etc, and have them > > > immediately, or as fast as possible, rerendered. "Face" the app while > > > on the phone. This would, of course, also work in the emulator. > > > Literally programming on the phone is slow, but changing layouts and > > > other stuff on the computer and redeploying on the emulator is also > > > slow going the other way. You know? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Incognito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I went to the link but could not find the screens to your > application. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:06 pm, PowerGUI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello everybody,I want to share my submission - PhoneIDE. > > > > > the Goal of PhoneIDE is:make android developers to Develop Android > > > > > All in Phone.It is a Integrated Development Envrioment runs inside > > > > > GPhone.which including Project management,Compile,Debug,Install, > > > > > GUI Builder,Source Code Editor,Resource Manager/Editor, > > > > > Online Help System,and etc.BTW,The PhoneIDE need remote > server(maybe > > > > > placed anywhere in the world) to do mininal Compile and Debug Aid > > > > > work(all is Automatic work,need nobody to type somethings),beside > > > > > this,all work will be done > > > > > in your GPhone.I would be very glad to hear your comments and > > > > > suggestions.And feedbacks > > > > > will be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advice. > > > > > > > > > > PowerGUI > > > > > ----------------------------- > > > > > Android DotPhone Grouphttp://www.dotphone.org/english/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > take care, > Muthu Ramadoss. > > http://mobeegal.in > find stuff closer. > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Challenge" group. 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