Ok.. you nailed it so hard, my head is bleeding now ;) Android UI designer is a GREAT idea. I was thinking more along the CSS way of doing layouts.
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Kevin Galligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You lost me. I don't understand your question. > > Yes. There are "themes". I actually used the "Light" theme in my app > as the base. They didn't really update it to look good in m5. Dark > and light looked similar in m3, but only the Dark theme got changed > for the update. I had to do some significant massaging of the theme > to make it look better. > > Why did I bother? How many apps are going to have the Dark theme? > 98%. I figured sticking out a little doesn't hurt. > > I didnt' really mean a visual designer for the theme anyway. Having > said that, I'm not sure what would be wrong with it. There are visual > css designers all over the place. I do it by hand, but that's not > everybody. > > I was referring to a visual component layout tool of some sort. Like > the various swing gui design tools. > > The part where you lost me is the "good enough" argument. What does > that mean? Was Emacs "good enough"? Its a great app, and I used to > program in it, but now I use Idea and Eclipse. Weren't horses good > enough? I guess if you're concerned with global warming you might say > "yes", but that's a different discussion. > > Making the screens for android is probably less painful than other > phone platforms, but I did much of my mockups in a web application > because it was easily an order of magnitude faster. What would be > nice is something that puts the components on the screen, lets you > drag them around and set properties, builds the R resource class, then > (maybe) adds them as fields to your activity. Like the endless line > of desktop gui designers. > > But what we have is "good enough" for now ;) > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Muthu Ramadoss > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kevin, > > > > We do have themes and custom layouts to decorate existing apps right? Is > > that not good enough? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Kevin Galligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > (slapping myself in the forehead...) > > > > > > A graphical layout designer, that could actually run on the > > > emulator/phone. Ehh? The app would work as usual, then you click a > > > menu option or some key combo, and the layout becomes editable (under > > > the hood it actually swaps out a different activity or whatever). You > > > move stuff around, hit "Done", and it sends all that to the dev > > > server, recompiles and whatnot, then reloads. > > > > > > I assume your system does the recompiling and whatnot that way. I > > > think the graphical layout editor would be a really cool addition. If > > > you've already built that, say hi to the other 49 for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Kevin Galligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > I found one set, but they didn't have an ide or anything. > > > > > > > > So, you would actually program on the phone? > > > > > > > > This is going to sound crazy, but I've been doing something halfway > > > > there for a while now. Because I have a regular job and little > free > > > > time, and my commute is like an hour or more on the subway (total, > not > > > > each way), I bought a Samsung Q1 Ultra and actually program on my > > > > commute. I have linux on there, intellij idea and eclipse. I > didn't > > > > actually run the emulator, but did coding that I ran at home. > > > > > > > > The two big hurdles are the lack of real keyboard and the screen > size > > > > makes programming difficult. Other than that, processor speed and > > > > whatnot are distant thirds or less. The keyboard and screen size > are > > > > the biggest problems, respectively. > > > > > > > > My Samsung sucks to program on, but for what it is, its > ridiculously > > > > good. The screen size isn't so bad. There is a mini split > keyboard. > > > > Not great, but it works. Its what I needed. The real value wasn't > > > > for programming so much as getting me geared up before I got home, > and > > > > to do some thinking about the app. > > > > > > > > My suggestions would be to focus on the hot key/macro support. I > > > > think if I'd spent a few hours defining hot keys in Idea that > worked > > > > really well with the Samsung, it would've been significantly > better. > > > > This will help with the keyboard issues. > > > > > > > > My other suggestion would be maybe focus less on full development > and > > > > focus instead on a "tweaking" platform. Maybe you could edit the > > > > layout xml files, or the styles, animations, etc, and have them > > > > immediately, or as fast as possible, rerendered. "Face" the app > while > > > > on the phone. This would, of course, also work in the emulator. > > > > Literally programming on the phone is slow, but changing layouts > and > > > > other stuff on the computer and redeploying on the emulator is also > > > > slow going the other way. You know? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Incognito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I went to the link but could not find the screens to your > > application. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:06 pm, PowerGUI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everybody,I want to share my submission - PhoneIDE. > > > > > > the Goal of PhoneIDE is:make android developers to Develop > Android > > > > > > All in Phone.It is a Integrated Development Envrioment runs > inside > > > > > > GPhone.which including Project > management,Compile,Debug,Install, > > > > > > GUI Builder,Source Code Editor,Resource Manager/Editor, > > > > > > Online Help System,and etc.BTW,The PhoneIDE need remote > > server(maybe > > > > > > placed anywhere in the world) to do mininal Compile and Debug > Aid > > > > > > work(all is Automatic work,need nobody to type > somethings),beside > > > > > > this,all work will be done > > > > > > in your GPhone.I would be very glad to hear your comments and > > > > > > suggestions.And feedbacks > > > > > > will be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > PowerGUI > > > > > > ----------------------------- > > > > > > Android DotPhone Grouphttp://www.dotphone.org/english/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > take care, > > Muthu Ramadoss. > > > > http://mobeegal.in > > find stuff closer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- take care, Muthu Ramadoss. http://mobeegal.in find stuff closer. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Challenge" group. 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