Mark,

I think the loss of XMPP-like capability is pretty big. Mike Cleron in
the youtube Androidology said that he thinks the compelling apps
(mashups) include that capability. I think it really replaces the
server infrastructure. If you build a server infrastructure now, then
soon your app won't need it. How does that work? :) Well, you can't
really build the app properly yet. ..But it's good that it will be
more built into the system, attached to android and not just to a
Google address.


- Juan T.



On Oct 5, 3:52 pm, Mark Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> whitehexagon wrote:
> > I'm really struggling to find information on if it's possible to get
> > two android handsets talking to each other without an intermediate
> > server.  In theory this should be possible via wireless or more likely
> > BlueTooth.  But both API's seem crippled to prevent this, or am I
> > missing something?  
>
> It has been stated that the Bluetooth APIs were taken out due to lack of
> time to get the API stabilized in time:
>
> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-ap...
>
> Peer-to-peer Internet communication should be as possible on Android as
> it is on any platform -- difficult with absolutely zero server
> assistance, but not too tough if you can at least use a server for
> obtaining the IP address of the peer(s) to communicate with. Of course,
> there are issues of firewalls, NAT traversal, mobile carrier terms of
> service, and security to deal with, none of which are trivial.
>
>  > I find it hard to believe android would be
>
> > launched without some kind of phone to phone communication support?
>
> If the Android core team committed to doing everything everyone wanted
> before 1.0, we'd never have any Android devices, because they would
> never be done. You want built-in P2P. Some other guy wants built-in
> infrared. Still others want A2DP profiles. Yet others want all those API
> features hackbod gets to say aren't available in 1.0. And so on. The
> Android core team had to draw a line *somewhere*.
>
> The good news is that, once Android 1.0 is released as open source,
> there will hopefully be a means for public contributions, meaning you'll
> be able to help add those things you feel are needed.
>
> --
> Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy)http://commonsware.com
> _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 1.3 Published!
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