Google produced a platform that has a bunch of configurable settings. (One
of which, for example, is ro.secure.) And a bunch of optional binaries and
applications. (Such as the API Demo apk and the native 'su' executable.)
It is entirely up to T-mobile as to what they provide on their device.
Period. Full stop. The settings, applications (such as the closed-source IM
clients) and so forth are entirely determined by T-mobile.
If you wanted an ADP1 instead, perhaps you should return your G1 and buy the
phone you want. If you want the G1 to be changed, perhaps you should call
the people in charge of that (hint: they answer "611" when you dial it) and
ask them to change it.
Google doesn't determine what is on a phone released by a 3rd party. (And
the phone they did release, the ADP1, has 'su' and a bootloader that allows
for custom firmware.) Google doesn't even (unilaterally) decide what
capabilities go into the firmware - thats the point of the open handset
alliance. Its not a collection of companies putting out Android phones - you
don't need to join to do that. It is a collection of companies that are
STEERING THE PLATFORM. T-mobile says "This platform must be able to do FOO,
and we will provide {resources} towards that end. This platform should be
able to BAR, but we will not build that; if it is not there, oh well." etc.
If you want to steer the platform, put the community focus to the test and
submit code (or even a revised security policy) that allows for all the
guarantees the current one does ("the platform must FOO" isn't going to be
wished away) but makes you happy and delivers a pony. If you put an actual
working model together and a proof of concept, and THEN they reject it, you
can go back to whining.. but so far you are sitting in a volkswagon yelling
at a porsche dealer that your car isn't fast enough....
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:29 AM, nkijak <nki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How can you say it has nothing to do with Google. They brought
> Android to T-Mobile. For them to not know that cell companies where
> going to lock it down would be ignorance on their part. Plus you act
> like there was going to be a Dev phone since the beginning. How was
> anyone supposed to know that the G1 wouldn't be the only phone. Why
> was the dev phone released so many months later? There could have been
> mention of it.
>
> I'm not saying T-Mobile isn't without blame, but to totally dismiss
> Google of everything is illogical. Where's the Google web client to
> sync my apps? Google knew they'd be making many different Android
> phones, how do you move from one to the other?
>
> Quit trolling.
>
> On Dec 21, 4:46 pm, Disconnect <dc.disconn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Call 611 and ask. If it becomes a serious enough problem, T-mob will
> assign
> > resources to finding and implementing a solution.
> >
> > If you're unhappy with your purchase from T-mobile, talk to them about
> it.
> > It has absolutely nothing at all to do with google. (Zip. Zero. Nada.
> Sorry
> > you bought a Toyota and wanted a Honda, but moaning and whining about it
> is
> > unlikely to make any sort of magic fairy appear and fix it.)
> >
> > ..I want a pony.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 4:31 PM, nkijak <nki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I second the root access. All us T-Mobile G1 suckers are out cold for
> > > now. My trackball stopped scrolling to the right and T-Mobile is
> > > sending me a new one but all my data and apps will be lost because
> > > they're all written to internal memory.
> >
> > > I'm a little sad that the Google folks didn't see this as a huge issue
> > > as the iPhone has syncing with iTunes and it's no problem to upgrade/
> > > switch/replace between iPhone/touch hardware. What's the recommended
> > > way for Android users?
> >
> > > On Dec 20, 1:31 am, "Peter Fisher" <pe...@phyn3t.com> wrote:
> > > > I wish it had multi touch support the browser would be so much better
> if
> > > > they did. =(
> >
> > > > Also there should be an option to allow root access to the device for
> > > > developers...
> >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:08 PM, TmobileG1Fans <
> ilovetoar...@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> >
> > > > > What do you mean there is another SD slot? There is only 1 :) +
> 64mb
> > > > > internal mem.
> >
> > > > > On Dec 19, 2:56 pm, "Xavier Mathews" <xavieruni...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > I thought there was another sd slot?
> >
> > > > > > On 12/19/2008, Mark K <mark.ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Looks good, will have camcorder support which is huge! It
> needed
> > > to
> > > > > > > support recording video, since all the other 'smart phone'
> > > platforms
> > > > > > > do also. Hopefully it will be an easy upgrade for the G1.
> >
> > > > > > > Mark
> >
> > > > > > > On Dec 19, 9:37 am, TmobileG1Fans <ilovetoar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >> I think it's going to be awesome OS update but then again I
> wish
> > > apps
> > > > > > >> still would be installable from SD card and not OS, i mean
> this os
> > > is
> > > > > > >> going to take more space and most people are already using 80%
> of
> > > > > > >> their internal card.
> >
> > > > > > >> Hope they will address that issue:
> >
> > > > > > >> Info about
> > > > > > >> CupCake:
> > > > >
> http://www.livecrunch.com/2008/12/19/android-cupcake-release-updates-.
> > > ..
> >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Xavier A. Mathews
> > > > > > Student/Browser Specialist/Developer/Web-Master
> > > > > > Client Based Tech Support Specialist
> > > > > > Hazel Crest Illinois
> > > > > > xavieruni...@gmail.com¥xavieruni...@hotmail.com¥
> > > truestar...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > "Fear of a name, only increases fear of the thing itself."
> >
>
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