No, I see that now, my mistake, that was just my reading too quickly.. Kris
On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Kevin Duffey <[email protected]> wrote: > Kris, I was referring to Lew's response. Text is of course impossible to know > someone's tone, some people may just reply with what seems like "ruffled > feathers" answers..but might just be making a point instead. Regardless, I > don't let responses bother me for the most part, but it seemed as if my > response about android devices not getting too hot and such ruffled Lew's > feathers a little given his two responses. > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Kristopher Micinski <[email protected]> > wrote: > I'm sorry if I came off confrontational to your response, I didn't > mean to sound that way at all. I don't believe I'm taking this to an > extreme: this forum is for developing apps, I wanted to give a warning > that you should consider other options if you want to develop real > apps that need this type of behavior. > > Sure, you could do it, it might be cool. I didn't mean to discourage > that at all. And indeed, I'm certainly not refuting it, as I have > done exactly this for some network experiments in a project I worked > on a few years ago. So I am not at all saying you shouldn't do it, > that it's impossible, or that you are wrong: I'm just saying you > should think twice if you think your app needs this. > > Maybe I was off base, because the OP asked why this couldn't be done. > I shouldn't say it can't be, because it clearly can, I'm just saying > you should be careful... > > Kris > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Kevin Duffey <[email protected]> wrote: > > Clearly you are taking this to an extreme.. my point was..given that *most* > > phone devices don't get too hot that they would need a large cooling system > > to keep it cool, and the fairly decent processing power of current devices, > > my point was, it would be possible, to some extent, barring a few variables, > > such as those you have brought up, to build a decent *little* server farm to > > handle some sort of load. I am not saying google should replace their search > > engine servers with smart phones by any means. > > > > Yes.. a typical wifi-n would be screwed under the load of thousands of > > phones on the same wifi network, but then, we'd probably consider that we'd > > opt for a few wifi networks, on different physical network routers to help > > distribute that load a bit. I am sorry I didn't take this to the extreme you > > did and make it sound practical for a company like google to actually do > > this. What if we, for the sake of your argument, throw in wifi-ac? That's > > 1.3gbps wifi.. would that help things along? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Lew <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Lew wrote: > >>> > >>> andjarnic wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ... I could see where rather than buying a beefy multi-cpu 2+ rack > >>>> system, you could put a bunch of these in place as servers to handle a > >>>> few > >>>> dozen or so requests and with almost no heat and enough power and memory > >>>> to > >>>> handle the requests.. a farm of these could possibly be comparable to > >>>> much > >>>> more expensive, heat dissipating hardware that runs multiple vms. At the > >>>> very least it would be pretty cool to see a table full of hundreds of > >>>> these, > >>>> all via wifi, just servicing web requests ;) > >>> > >>> > >>> How much heat is "almost no heat", really? > >>> > >>> What about the hardware and systems to distribute the load of hundreds > >>> or thousands of requests to servers that can only handle a dozen at a > >>> time? > >>> > >>> Are we *quite* sure that the heat generated would be "almost" none? My > >>> smart phone > >>> occasionally gets blazingly hot, as has every cell phone I've ever owned. > >>> > >>> You need to *measure* the heat, and power consumption, and cost of > >>> replacing batteries > >>> and other such costs, to be sure that you are getting the best server > >>> bang for the buck. > >>> > >>> I see lots of ways your assertions could be completely wrong. > >>> > >> Oh, and the poor WiFi system will collapse under that bandwidth. > >> > >> Real server farms have hundreds, or even thousands of servers - full-size, > >> not phone-sized - in a single data center, connected by > >> ultra-ultra-high-bandwidth > >> pipes. I do not find the claim that smartphones could compete credible. > >> > >> -- > >> Lew > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Android Developers" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected] > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. 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