What about AE (or another single person) trying it out in public? Say what user he creates and what app he will rate/comment with *****. We can watch if it gets deleted. I don't consider AE cheating if he does it once, in public, and as part of an experiment.
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote: > > Have you confirmed yourself on a G1 that after multiple 'phone resets > and comments/ratings they all stay in the market for more than 48 hours? > > I'd be surprised if there wasn't a filtering mechanism which looked for > multiple comments/ratings from the same 'phone which ran (possibly as a > daily batch job). > > Al. > > AE wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It is my understanding that the "popularity index" uses several > > parameters to such as rating, comments (not directly but indirectly), > > number of downloads, active install, total install, installs from > > regular users, install from dev phones, age of the app, number of > > phone sales in a region, etc,etc -- there is probably 500 elements > > that are in the works! And rightfully so Google doesn't want folks to > > game the system. > > > > Now what I like to stress here is the following -- the 3 key element > > that is presented to users prior to download is number of downloads, > > rating, comments. No matter how much we argue at the end of day -- the > > users makes his/her decision "somewhat" based on the above 3 > > parameters. Interestingly all of the above parameters can be > > manipulated by doing the following. > > > > a. Download the app - rank and comment > > b. Reset your phone - Create new user > > c. Repeat A > > > > And if you get say 5 college kid doing the above.. bingo you can > > always make sure that visible 3 comments are clean and positive -- > > you can also use those comments as a megaphone to tell the users -- > > what more can your app do -- beside the 325 char description , you > > keep your rating stable at 4.7/4.6 (so you don't look to greedy) and > > your number of downloads are increasing. Not only that while you are > > at it you might as well go ahead and make lower rating and ugly > > comments to competitors app -- and you make sure you uninstall > > competitors app, where as you don't uninstall your app -- you just hit > > for the "hard reset" -- because you send the signal -- that the phone > > might be off -- rinse and repeat!!! Yes very true this will not > > increase your popularity but slowly and surely by doing so you can > > only go up cos if all of the ranking elements produce "X" and the > > above 3 elements say produce "Y" -- no matter how insignificant these > > 3 parameter is -- you are on the positive -- never the less you have a > > propaganda megaphone to the users who download your apps. In every > > damn category all the top 20 - 30 apps stays the same, I have not seen > > them moving out of that space !! > > > > I am complete disgusted by the above, I worked hard to develop my app, > > I used the SDK so I can take advantage of all the phone features and I > > am honest and what it gets me -- nada! So why should I develop app -- > > what incentive does it provide me if I don't have the money power to > > buy my friends 5-10 G1 to game the system!! > > > > I have couple of ideas to the above problem - and I am sure there are > > many here who has even better idea then i list below -- > > > > 1. Rating from the "new" users i.e. created on the fly users -- should > > be separated from the users who are verified i.e. been using google > > for a while and have a history, so I propose 2 ratings rather then one > > - why - it should be transparent to the end consumer (No propaganda > > megaphone) -- how you use to evaluate popularity -- not my business > > and its googles secret. > > > > 2. Comments should have added "star" or colors to identify also the > > user has no history with google i.e. Amazon's "REAL NAME". Again > > transparent to end consumer > > > > Yes, I do want to have "real users comments" and their "ratings" and > > show the world "total downloads" -- it just helps me improve my app. > > But we need a fair playing field that's my request. I am sure many of > > you know the above -- at least its a open secret! Now everyone can > > play the game!! > > > > I look forward to constructive replies/solutions and hear your views. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > > ====== > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > subsidiaries. > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. 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