I would imagine their tax lines look something like this: Client --> Google :: $1.00 Google --> Developer :: $0.70
Google's taxable income: $0.30 Note that they don't explicitly tell the government "We paid XXX to developer Y", they just note that the money left their hands, and that they shouldn't be taxed on it. Essentially, its your responsibility to mention that you received the money. If they wanted to track that cash, should be very easy to see :) - Dan On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Kevin Duffey <andjar...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would think the same thing. Maybe it's the google market that doesn't > report it? I had asked about this some time ago, for those selling apps and > making their 70%, at tax time do they get some 1099 or something, and > several said no. So I am unclear as to how the market handles taxes... as > well, if you do micro transactions in your app, where you charge $1 for some > virtual item, using paypal/google, who take a cut, how is that handled? Does > google/paypal send in info on how much was paid to you.. that is not clear > to me at all. > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Dan Sherman <impact...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I would very seriously suspect that they report it. I remember having to >> give a social-security/tax-id to Adsense when signing up. And just thinking >> through their tax predicament (bringing in tons of money, and seeing a lot >> of it go straight back out), they're going to need to keep records, and >> report as to where that money went out to. Mostly so they don't have to pay >> taxes on it (was your profits, not theirs). >> >> - Dan >> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Kevin Duffey <andjar...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Well, yes, you *should* report it.. but if google and admob and so forth >>> don't report anything to the IRS, then it's basically on good faith. There >>> isn't presently any way for them to track how much you make. I would imagine >>> eventually something will come into play. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Wayne Wenthin <wa...@fuligin.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I'll chime in on this. I have switched from admob to mobclix recently. >>>> (actually I can control which one I use base on a network check) I have >>>> noticed my CTR jump from around 2-3 a day to around 7. This makes me more >>>> inclined to hang with them. But I only changed after I watch admob drop >>>> from around 7 a day to 1-2. Now 150 a day is my new goal ;-) But I figure >>>> if I can bring in 100 a month or so it's still better than nothing. >>>> >>>> As for the IRS thing this is all income and it will need to be reported >>>> in some way. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Abdul Mateen <abmat...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes Really Moto $150/day is a damn good income from Ads, I am only >>>>> making $1-$2/day , and I am using Admob + Greystripe.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Kevin Duffey <andjar...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am interested in this as well. First, Moto.. $150 a day? Holy crap! >>>>>> I'd love to have that much 7 days a week coming in. That would >>>>>> supplement my >>>>>> income nicely. :) Second, slightly off topic, but directly related to >>>>>> revenue.. with that much coming in, or say even more if you had like >>>>>> $1000 a >>>>>> day coming in, what do you do about income taxes? I was told by some that >>>>>> google doesn't send any money making info to IRS.. so essentially there >>>>>> is >>>>>> no way for IRS or any tax/government to track how much you make. I am >>>>>> probably a long ways off from earning $1 a day.. but I am curious how you >>>>>> handle this issue. Is it on faith that you pay taxes... and mind you, you >>>>>> can shoot a private email if this is something that you wouldn't want to >>>>>> make public. :) I am not trying to cheat the IRS out of money by any >>>>>> means.. >>>>>> I would rather be legit... but am interested in how this is done. Living >>>>>> in >>>>>> California I already lose half my paycheck to taxes between state and >>>>>> federal. >>>>>> >>>>>> The ads that are done in games, don't they have to be clicked on to >>>>>> earn money? You said you have 60,000 users, do a lot of them click the >>>>>> ads >>>>>> while playing a game? Or even in a splash screen or game-over screen? Or >>>>>> do >>>>>> you earn money just by showing the ad? I would hope both.. clicks == more >>>>>> money, showing == very little. But if you get nothing from displaying the >>>>>> ad.. that seems ridiculous... because you are advertising for that ad.. >>>>>> the >>>>>> user is seeing that ad.. even if they don't click it, it may trigger them >>>>>> later to look it up, etc. If you do make some money off of each ad >>>>>> displayed... how does it work? I mean, you could write a robot app that >>>>>> made >>>>>> it seem like 10's of 1000's of people were at least seeing the ad. There >>>>>> must be some way that admob and others avoid "cheating" and losing money. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lastly, I thought things like admob required an ad all the time? You >>>>>> can control when/where you display it? I thought admob was a small >>>>>> banner ad >>>>>> at the bottom of the screen all the time.. and it's sdk/api controlled >>>>>> how >>>>>> often an ad was displayed? What level of control do you have over say.. >>>>>> putting ads during game play, or just on the splash screen and >>>>>> end-game/high >>>>>> score screens? As well, how targeted are the ads? Do you send data to >>>>>> admob >>>>>> about the user playing the game that helps them target ads? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Ahmed majaat <amaj...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> try this, >>>>>>> http://www.aditic.com/demo, it may helps you to improve your CTR and >>>>>>> Revenue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They have more ad formats, splashscreen, interstial, 2/3 banner, >>>>>>> strech banner and more for Android. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just for your information I used intro/splashscreen Banner and >>>>>>> retractable banner, my CTR is around 0.67. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ahmed, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2:22 am, Wayne Wenthin <wa...@fuligin.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > There is AdWhirl that will allow you to serve up from different >>>>>>> providers. >>>>>>> > I have not tried it yet but since I have both admob, which was >>>>>>> doing very >>>>>>> > well for me, and Mobclix I may try to do them both. I found it >>>>>>> interesting >>>>>>> > that while keeping the ad rotation interval the same between the >>>>>>> two I was >>>>>>> > serving around 30K impression with mobclix and about 17K with >>>>>>> admob. >>>>>>> > My CTR on admob was significantly higher. Now that I switched back >>>>>>> to admob >>>>>>> > I found a "glitch" that I had not noticed before and wonder if my >>>>>>> mobclix >>>>>>> > CTR could have been better. Its actually encouraging to know >>>>>>> that at >>>>>>> > least some money is being made out there. I racked up 48 bucks >>>>>>> for the >>>>>>> > last week in january and have about twice as many users now so I'm >>>>>>> waiting >>>>>>> > to see if my glitch has been fixed. Now another topic that would >>>>>>> fun to >>>>>>> > discuss is how the heck do you get users to update?! >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Moto <medicalsou...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > > Yes, I believe this very much concerns developers because most of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > > time, based on this revenue, it is what makes a developer want to >>>>>>> > > continue developing... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Yahel, I also believe that applications shouldn't abuse the user >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> > > ads. I believe that ads should be carefully placed to flow with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > > application. That's what I do currently. My current CTR is >>>>>>> really >>>>>>> > > low. 0.05% and I'm still making on avg $150 per day. The app's >>>>>>> got >>>>>>> > > around 60,000 users... and I use Quattro Wireless... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Now my apps CTR seems low cause we request an add on every >>>>>>> activity >>>>>>> > > and this lowers our effectiveness to display ads, that's why the >>>>>>> low >>>>>>> > > CTR. So I'm looking at better ways to improve it... Like I asked >>>>>>> > > possibly using 2 different ad agencies. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > -Moto >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > On Mar 15, 5:02 pm, Yahel <kaye...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > Sorry John but I do not agree. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > Android Discuss seems there to discuss any general Android >>>>>>> topic : The >>>>>>> > > > device or it's use, not developer stuff. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > This ads thing does only concern developers, doesn't it ? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > Yahel >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > -- >>>>>>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> > > Groups "Android Developers" group. >>>>>>> > > To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> android-developers@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<android-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> <android-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com<android-developers%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > Writing code is one of few things >>>>>>> > that teaches me I don't know everything. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Make Call Girl Manager great! 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