So I do not see the significant difference between my app and
BreadCrumbz (http://www.bcrumbz.com/), which is an ADC-Winner (or
Finalist?) and is already available on our up to now closed market ???

On 25 Okt., 12:22, Al Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you're using the Maps API you'll need to obey them as well....
>
> Al.
>
> plusminus wrote:
> > I quoted from the Android ToS.
>
> > On 25 Okt., 12:12, Al Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Is that the Maps ToS or the Maps API ToS? They are different and the
> >> ones I quoted are from the API ToS
> >> (http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html).
>
> >> Al.
>
> >> plusminus wrote:
>
> >>> ###########################
> >>> use the Service or Content with any products, systems, or applications
> >>> for or in
> >>> connection with (a) real time navigation or route guidance based on
> >>> position
> >>> input from a sensor (including but not limited to any visual or
> >>> audible turn-byturn
> >>> route guidance); or (b) any systems or functions for automatic or
> >>> autonomous control of vehicle behavior;
> >>> ###########################
> >>> Imo I'm not violating (a) because I'm just doing static navigation,
> >>> just like the Android-Maps-App does, GPS or any other Sensor is not
> >>> included at any nanosecond during navigation.
> >>> And imo (b) doesn't apply, because it says sth of "automatic" and
> >>> "autonomous" which seems to me like we aren't allowed to build
> >>> autonomous driving killer-androids with the Maps.
>
> >>> On 25 Okt., 11:43, Al Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>>> Plusminus,
>
> >>>> As a non-Googleite I can see how you could be in breach of their ToS;
>
> >>>> Section 2.2 of the Maps API says has a list of things you can't do, and
> >>>> as the last bullet point it has;
>
> >>>> - remove, distort or alter any element of a Google Brand Feature (this
> >>>> includes squeezing, stretching, inverting, discoloring, etc.).
>
> >>>> Also, section 1.4 doesn't limit prohbited use to just real time stuff.
> >>>> part (a) says;
>
> >>>> "(a) real time route guidance (including without limitation,
> >>>> turn-by-turn route guidance and other routing that is enabled through
> >>>> the use of a sensor)"
>
> >>>> So it's basically prohibiting "turn-by-turn route guidance" as well as
> >>>> "other routing that is enabled through the use of a sensor", not just
> >>>> prohibiting "turn-by-turn route guidance that is enabled through the use
> >>>> of a sensor".
>
> >>>> Basically I think you're stuffed as far as using the Google Maps API 
> >>>> goes.
>
> >>>> I guess the only options are another data free data source,  paying a
> >>>> license to a map data provider, or paying to construct your own maps so
> >>>> you can give them to everyone else freely :).
>
> >>>> Al
>
> >>>> plusminus wrote:
>
> >>>>> @Justin
> >>>>> I'm sorry but this ToS-Sequence is totally absurd ! Where is the ....
> >>>>> difference in manually putting it to the side ?
> >>>>> Anything I can do except destroying my Layout o_O ?
>
> >>>>> I'm not violating the ToS with Turn-By-Turn instructions, because they
> >>>>> disallow only real-time, sensor-based route-guidance. Which I'm not
> >>>>> doing. (Better to say "no more doing". I had it done already :( )
>
> >>>>> @Kyle Gordon
> >>>>> Exactly thats the reason why I'm working hard on AndNav2 which builds
> >>>>> on top of OSM-Data :)
> >>>>> Expect it do be public(?)-beta in around 2-4 weeks.
>
> >>>>> On 25 Okt., 10:53, Kyle Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Justin (Google Employee) wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Secondly, you appear to be in violation if the Maps API TOS in another
> >>>>>>> way. You appear to be providing turn-by-turn directions using Google
> >>>>>>> Maps, this is explicitly against the TOS as far as I know
>
> >>>>>> Which is why it's suboptimal to rely on commercial organizations giving
> >>>>>> data away for 'free'. I'll be the first to suggestwww.openstreetmap.org
> >>>>>> for data then. It's all licensed under an open license, provides WMS
> >>>>>> Servers, open routing navigation systems, and the data is all yours to
> >>>>>> do what you want with. Whether it's walking maps, cycle maps, driving
> >>>>>> maps, etc... Enjoy :-)
>
> >>>>>> Kyle
>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Kyle Gordon - 2M1DIQ
> >>>>>> Web:http://lodge.glasgownet.com
> >>>>>> Jabber/Email/SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Al Sutton
>
> >>>> W:www.alsutton.com
> >>>> B: alsutton.wordpress.com
> >>>> T: twitter.com/alsutton
>
>
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