Hi, William and Brian,

Thanks for your review. I would not draw a conclusion before November 3rd. That 
gives one week extra time. If that's still not enough, I suggest you to express 
the major point first. The details could be come later. They could be addressed 
together with the comments received during IETF-scope review and IESG review.

Regards,

Sheng

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anima [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Atwood
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:36 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Anima] WGLC on draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-12 -
> Respond by October 28th, 2017,
> 
> Hello,
> 
> These are my technical comments on this draft, for the first 32 pages.
> Given the length of the document, I do not expect to be able to finish it by
> October 28, so I second Brian's request for additional time.
> 
>   Bill
> 
> 1) The definition of "ANI" in Section 2 says that it includes ACP, BRSKI and
> GRASP.  The statement of Requirements in Section 4 says:
> 
> "ACP4:  The ACP MUST be generic. ... It MUST NOT be tied to a particular
> application or transport protocol."
> 
> These two statements are in conflict, because the ANI as defined in this
> document clearly depends on GRASP.
> 
> 2) As a specification, Step 4 in Section 5 is terrible.  Step 3 explicitly 
> includes
> the "for-loop".  Step 4 then shifts to the perspective of an individual peer
> relationship, and uses the singular in the first sentence.  It then shifts 
> again to
> the plural for the second sentence.  Suggested text:
> 
> "4. For each node in the candidate peer list, it then establishes a secure 
> tunnel
> of the negotiated type.  The resulting tunnels are then placed into the
> previously set up VRF.  This creates an overlay network with hop-by-hop
> tunnels."
> 
> 3) In Section 6.1.1, in the comment on "routing-subdomain", it says, <<"rsub" 
> is
> optional and should only be used when its impacts are understood.>>  Who
> must do the understanding?  What is the test for "understanding"?  Is this a
> statement that "rsub" should not be used until the WG has done more work, or
> until the reader has read this document 42 times, or ??  For a normative
> section of this document, this is remarkably ambiguous.
> 
> 4) In Section 6.2.3, para 1, line 3, "must" -> "MUST"  (I believe that this
> requirement should be normative.)
> 
> 5) In Section 6.7.2, para 2, line 4, "and not permit" -> "and MUST NOT permit"
> (The implied dependence on the previous "MUST" should be made
> explicit.)
> 
> 6) In Section 6.8.2, para 2, I was puzzled by the statement that the ACP could
> exist in the absence of any active ACP neighbors, since the ACP is only 
> created
> with the help of a neighbor that is already a member of the domain.  I then
> realized that domain membership (and its accompanying domain certificate)
> could be established while a neighbor was active, and then the neighbor could
> vanish.  I suggest adding some text to make this sequence of events clear.
> Suggestion: "It is created when the node has a domain certificate, and
> continues to exist even if all of its neighbors cease operation."
> 
> 
> On 15/10/2017 4:59 AM, Sheng Jiang wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > This message starts the two-week ANIMA Working Group Last Call to
> > advance draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-12, An Autonomic
> > Control Plane (ACP). This document's intended status is Standards Track.
> > At present, there is one IPR file against this document, see below link.
> >
> >
> >
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2407/
> >
> >
> >
> > Please send your comments by October 28th, 2017. If you do not feel
> > thisĀ  document should advance, please state your reasons why.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sheng JIANG is the assigned document shepherd.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Sheng (co-chair, Toerless who as a co-author stayed neutral on the
> > content side)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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