At 02:02 10/11/00 +1030, you wrote: >On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Simeon Fitch wrote: > >> The text document below outlines some proposed changes > >Thanks for putting this together. There needs to be a better way to >communicate these ideas amongst the people on the dev list and >especially the committers. > >It would be helpful to prioritize this list as well. > >Have people seen www.log4j.org which I have just started to use but >looks like a much better logger than we currently have with Ant. It's >under the IBM Public License (I dont want to start another licensing >thread *sigh*, but this is "open source certified" :P )
It was going to be hosted at apache a while back. The guy that maintains it wanted to share the load ;) Either way it is fine to use. Thou there is another logging framework in Avalon project (java.apache.org/framework) that is another candidate. The main differences between log4j are * Avalons logging more efficient for light logging (ie jvm local logging) * Log4j has hierarchial logging (thou Avalon logging will have this soon) * Avalons logging allows redirecting logs at runtime while log4j can not * Avalons logging is more easier to use Thou take that with a grain of salt as I was original author of Avalons system ;) >Does anyone have suggestions on how these types of changes get process >managed in an open source group? 1. if we agree they are desirable then someone does it and commits it ;) 2. If they involve major changes then someone prototypes the changes and if accepted by the group then a seperate branch/directory created and whoever wants hacks away at it. 3. if changes can happen without a revolution then the codebase just evolves I am trying 2 at the moment but I have largely been unsuccessful ;(. >I would point at Stefan to say he is the one who owns this type of >role now. he is probably defacto leader along with duncan and Connor as they have done the most work ;) >But how do we go about collating this information and tracking the >completion of tasks? It would be nice to be able to work on some >productive task that has benefit to the entire group rather than to >just an individual. Unfortunately apache does not have any productivity tools besides mailinglist/cvs thou there is the bug tracker and faq but they don't seem to be used heaps. ;) Cheers, Pete *------------------------------------------------------* | "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want | | to test a man's character, give him power." | | -Abraham Lincoln | *------------------------------------------------------*
