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You wrote - "But the "left" were awful, they
always are"
You mean the "trendy, feel good, middle class-small
producer-capitalist, back to the earth" so called "left". The genuine Communist
left has always been consistent in their position
mart
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From: Richard Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 6:10
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Subject: Re: Did the left lose the war? [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
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> There is in fact another one that's overlookied. The
> were CIA and American assets until they revolted/ were
> no longer of use and Frankenstein's Monster turned on
> Dr. Frankenstein. They were used as recently as in
> Macedonia. They were also used in Kosovo and
> Bosnia-Hercegovina.
>
> But also the US. NSE. wishes to complete its take over
> of the world's oil supplies and the Europe Central
> Asia n Corridor - See Brisinski's book "The Grand
> Chess Board"
>
> But the "left" were aweful, they always are.
>
>
> --- mart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Well said Barry! Thanks for that post.
> > mart
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Barry Stoller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: Did the left lose the war?
> > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
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> > Andy Beckett, Guardian:
> >
> > Did the left lose the war?
> >
> > Kabul fell in five weeks. The Islamic world has not
> > erupted. So did
> > the left get it all wrong - and does it matter?
> >
> > Immediately before September 11, the outlook had
> > seemed reasonably
> > favourable for the left... the swelling profile of
> > anti-corporate
> > protests since Seattle, the polemics against
> > international trade and
> > sweatshops selling well in high street book shops,
> > the apparent revival
> > of militancy in some unions...
> >
> > Noam Chomsky, the dissident American academic who
> > is probably the
> > biggest influence on modern anti-capitalists, writes
> > gloomily: "It is
> > certainly a setback... Terrorist atrocities are a
> > gift to the harshest
> > and most repressive elements on all sides...
> >
> > Tariq Ali... is writing a book exploring the
> > similarities between Bush
> > and Bin Laden, and their ambitions to impose their
> > aggressive,
> > religiously-based ideas on the rest of the world...
> >
> > The anti-globalisation movement, you could say, has
> > spent the past
> > decade or so developing a sophisticated critique of
> > modern business - an
> > economic policy, if you like - but it has neglected
> > to draw up a foreign
> > policy, a coherent set of proposals for how
> > countries should operate and
> > behave towards each other.
> >
> > The anti-globalisation movement has been forced to
> > grow up in another
> > way, too. "Some people," says Wainwright, "used to
> > think that if
> > religious fundamentalists are anti-capitalist, then
> > we don't need to
> > challenge them."
> >
> > All of the above reveals the bankruptcy of
> > liberalism and anarchism,
> > especially if they're mixed together.
> >
> > It wasn't the 'left's' war. Who said bin Laden is
> > the 'left' anyway?
> >
> > Of course, if he was, we can be sure good old
> > Chomsky would be there to
> > demoralize everyone by pointing out the 'moral'
> > divergence between
> > praxis and his utopian conceptions.
> >
> > Tariq Ali? When he compares bin Laden to Bush, we
> > can be sure he'd say
> > the same of Lenin. And plenty of 'left'
> > publications would -- they
> > certainly did -- give lots of air time to that sort
> > of stuff.
> >
> > Does the 'anti-globalization' movement have a
> > 'foreign policy'? Yes.
> >
> > Mostly it's a repudiation of everything global in
> > favor of regionalism
> > and localism, i.e. small time, early capitalism.
> >
> > Which brings me to the false claim that 'religious
> > fundamentalists are
> > anti-capitalist.' They're not. Usually they are also
> > in favor of
> > regionalism and localism, i.e. small time, early
> > capitalism.
> >
> > The Soviets took on all of that crap, in
> > Afghanistan to name but one
> > battleground. Where was Chomsky then? Where was the
> > 'left' then? Where
> > were the anarchists then? Ah, hell, we know the
> > answer, it's all
> > sickening.
> >
> > Lastly. Although it wasn't the 'left's' war, it
> > wasn't 'lost.' Bin Laden
> > won. He masterminded a great hit on the great
> > symbols of US power and
> > got clean away with it.
> >
> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >
> > Barry Stoller
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ProletarianNews
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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