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Agreed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Stephan, > > for the second time, I see your point. What I don't see is why this was > turned into mudslinging contest. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I > don't recall anyone ever personally attacking you. So, what prompted you > > to attack Rick and Mart? Fill me in on the details if I missed > something? > > Everything else you wrote on the subject of Margolis I'm in agreement > with. There is disformation of a much more insidious quality sent to > this list daily. I'm sure most members are capable of dissecting fact > from fiction, the good from the bad. On the other hand, Rick and Mart > do provide helpful insight into must of what's sent. For someone like > myself -- poli/cri/tically active for a meagre three years and as such > supseptible to misinterpreting information or not recognizing subtle > spin or propaganda -- I'm indebted to them for their analysis. > > So, lets drop the subject and get back to business. By prolonging it we > are merely stirring up animosity and that's not what we need, is it now? > > David O.Q > > > > Stephen Gowans wrote: > > Relax. That wasn't a jab at the size of the list, not a comment on > > quality versus quantity (though quality without reach could hardly > > subserve the listserve's presumed goals of stopping NATO.) Instead, it > > was an attempt to put this tiresome subject in perspective. Posting > > Margolis on a listerserve of 118 subscribers isn't going to amount to a > > hill of beans, no matter what the power of "forward to" is, even if > > those subscribers are too dull to recognize misinformation, as some of > > the more frequently seen names on this list seem to suppose. > > > > In the exchanges on this issue, not once has anyone replied to my > > arguments. Instead, the same old charge is repeated, "But Margolis has > > an unsavory background. We shouldn't suppose he's one of us. He's an > > imposter." Who cares what Margolis background is? Margolis's colleague > > Peter Worthington has long been a bete noire of mine, but he wrote a > > wonderful exposure of the Racak massacre hoax, and yes, while others > > have written better exposures, Worthington's was probably read by more > > than anyone else's, and he writes for the Toronto Sun with its picayune > > circulation. > > > > Yes, ANTINATO is a listserve of superb quality, the best I know of, but > > I'd venture to guess that the asshole Worthington has done more to make > > large numbers of people ask questions about NATO policy vis-vis the > > Balkans than anyone on this list has. You take your allies where you can > > > > find them. Or you surround yourself with others who see the world in > > exactly the same way on every issue, and squander your energies on the > > margins, feeding delusions that you're making a difference. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Francisco Javier Bernal > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 4:05 PM > > Subject: Re: The Canadian Connection [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > > > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > --------------------------- > > Hello Stephen, > > > > Excuse my language, but what's your problem? You don't need to be very > > smart to know how many subscriber the list have. Just visiting the list > > homepage, http://www.topica.com/lists/ANTINATO. So what? Since when > > quantity is synonimous of quality? > > > > On Margolis: I currently receive two or three emails a week from > > different sources containing articles written by this individual. Most > > of them from people with no knowledge whatsoever on his background. And > > I don't live in Toronto. > > > > As per the "118", never underestimate the capabilities of the 'forward > > to'. > > > > Take it easy, mate > > > > > > > > > > From: Stephen Gowans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:39:28 -0500 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: The Canadian Connection [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > > > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > Of course, it's well known the CIA recruits heavily from the ranks of > > > Canadian journalists, there being too few American journalists from > > > which to > > > choose, and the CIA having too few connections in the US, and Canadian > > > journalists having a far greater reach than any of their counterparts in > > > > > > the > > > US or Britain or France. Why, with the circulation of Margolis's paper > > > reaching upwards of 30,000, (though most of the readers never read > > > Margolis's column, the horoscope, Toronto Maple Leafs stats, and the > > > Sunshine girl having infinitely more appeal) and his potential exposure > > > on > > > this listserve to the mind boggling number of 118, the CIA has chosen > > > well. > > > With a reach like that, who knows what damage he could do. > > > > > > Yes, indeed, Richard, it is no coincidence he, like me, is based in > > > Canada. > > > > > > But I must run. A meeting awaits with my fellow Canadians to plot the > > > spread of more disinformation through our widely read newspapers. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Richard Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:30 AM > > > Subject: Re: Columnist Eric Margolis [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > > > > > > > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > I suggest it is time for these exchanges to stop. > > > > > > > > The problem with margolis is not how we may/ may not > > > > disagree with him, but his "official" contacts for > > > > whom he distributes disinformation. > > > > > > > > It's no coincidence he's based in Canada. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Stephen Gowans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > But Nancy, Margolis is a vegan! And he would never > > > > > countenance the sending of chickens to Afghanistan. > > > > > > > > > > Still, you may be right. At the same time we prevail > > > > > upon antiwar.com to blacklist Margolis, maybe we can > > > > > get them to stop posting Pat Buchanan and Justin > > > > > Raimondo. Surely there are people on the Left (and > > > > > not Chomskyites, Trotskyites, social democrats, > > > > > anarchists, world socialists, libertarian > > > > > socialists, third-way Marxists, progressives and > > > > > Blairites) who are making the same points on > > > > > Afghanistan, Iraq, and so on. Better yet, maybe some > > > > > of them are vegans. How about Alexander Cockburn? Or > > > > > does he work for the CIA? > > > > > > > > > > Another idea: Being an unrepentant ovolacto > > > > > vegetarian (yes, I do drink milk: mea culpa), I > > > > > think my writing should be posted before any of > > > > > those other guys. After all, who needs ideas, when > > > > > you have the right political loyalties (and diet)? > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Nancy Hey > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:15 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Columnist Eric Margolis > > > > > [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > " > > > > > Other people are making the same points he is on > > > > > Afghanistan, Iraq and so forth; there's no need to > > > > > > > > > > provide this enemy of ours with more exposure and > > > > > authority than his contacts in the intelligence > > > > > community have already succeeded in doing. > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > Rick > > > > > " > > > > > My sentiments exactly! How can we get Antiwar.com > > > > > to see this point? > > > > > > > > > > peacefully yours, > > > > > Nancy Hey > > > > > > > > > > mart-remote wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well said Rick. Please, let's not give this > > > > > bastard any more exposure than he already gets, or > > > > > even the thinest veneer of credibilty. Margolis is a > > > > > CIA-KLA terrorist who happens to use a typewriter to > > > > > kill people. His words do not belong on this list. > > > > > One slight correction. He is with the Toronto Sun, > > > > > not the Toronto Star. > > > > > > > > > > mart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:25:32 -0800 (PST) > > > > > From: Rick Rozoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Subject: Re: Cowboy Prez rides to rescue? - > > > > > Columnist Eric Margolis > > > > > [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > For anyone not already acquainted > > > > > with > > > > > the fact, Eric Margolis is a Western > > > > > disinformation > > > > > agent who boasts, inter alia, of smuggling > > > > > rockets > > > > > into the Afghan mujahedin in the 1980s and > > > > > possessing > > > > > a host of intelligence contacts, including with > > > > > the > > > > > CIA. > > > > > A quick Google search with the words "Eric > > > > > Margolis > > > > > socialism" will demonstrate with whom we're > > > > > dealing. > > > > > There is nothing remotely enlightened or > > > > > progressive > > > > > about this individual, notwithstanding the fact > > > > > that > > > > > his columns, from the very establishment Toronto > > > > > Star > > > > > where he is the official foreign correspondent, > > > > > have > > > > > been crossposted and linked on several US > > > > > 'progressive' sites fairly regularly of late. > > > > > In fact, the only time he criticizes Western > > > > > militarism, aside from goading it into being > > > > > more > > > > > aggressive (e.g. "Stopping Europe's New Nazis" > > > > > and > > > > > "Serbia Needs Moral Cleansing"), is when one of > > > > > his > > > > > presumed co-religionists is under fire. > > > > > As such he operates on a personal, and hardly > > > > > political or principled, agenda. > > > > > Other people are making the same points he is on > > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan, Iraq and so forth; there's no need > > > > > to > > > > > provide this enemy of ours with more exposure > > > > > and > > > > > authority than his contacts in the intelligence > > > > > community have already succeeded in doing. > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! 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