Hi Michele, On Jan 7, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Michele Mostarda wrote:
>> >> >> 1. Who are the Sindice team? >> > > Giovanni Tummarello, Michele Mostarda, Davide Palmisano, Szymon Danielczyk. Gotcha, thanks. > > >> 2. When was it agreed that they would or could even approve of >> moving the code *after* the 0.7.0 release? >> > > We didn't find an agreement, we continued developing on Any23 while waiting > for > the initial code import on the Apache repository. Well the "we" here is important. The only one of those folks you listed above that I've seen make any effort towards the code import at the ASF has been you. Hats off to you. But things don't get done in Apache by waiting for things to get done. They get done by volunteers like yourself stepping it up and pushing for stuff to get done. I don't have a ton of time (or understanding) to do a lot of the code importing or development myself here, and that's fine, b/c what I do have time to do is to help you guys learn the Apache way and become familiar with the community. That's the role I'm trying to play here as mentor and as Champion for the project at the Apache Software Foundation. But others in the Apache Any23 community need to step up here too and do their work at the ASF. > > The Any23 Incubation proposal was accepted when the 0.7.0 release was ready > at > 60%, we didn't expect an instant freeze of the code base, out of a > milestone. The Any23 (prior to Apache) team didn't have to freeze anything and it probably should have been better clarified where you guys were in terms of the code base as part of your Incubator proposal. But regardless, once the proposal was accepted in the Incubator there needed to be steps taken to start getting the code to Apache. The process steps were taken (Software Code Grant, etc.), but only recently over the past few months has there been effort (led primarily by you and Daniel Shahaf by me minimally via my nudging) to get the code in to the ASF SVN. Even if the code wasn't fully imported yet, I would expect development towards any releases outside of Apache to stop -- it's just easier. Why develop in both places when nothing is stopping anyone from developing here at the ASF? If there is something stopping anyone on the Any23 team, please speak up? > > >> It is my understanding that when you guys proposed for this to be >> an Apache project, and when you filed a proposal to join the Incubator >> that all of the parallel development at Google Code would stop, period. >> >> To be blunt: >> >> 1. There shouldn't be any parallel development release going on, or >> code work going on at Google Code anymore. >> > > Let's interrupt all the development on Any23. I will update the > announcement, > the 0.7.0 release will be done within the ASF. OK great, but I wouldn't characterize anything as an interrupt - what are we interrupting by saying that the 0.7.0 release will occur at the ASF? Are we not talking simply about: 1. updated link to where to download the release tarball from 2. updated package names in the code 3. updated docs on the website Correct? > > What we have to do with the releases from r1548 (we imported on the ASF SVN > the revisions > from r0 to 1547) to r1607 (the latest commit on the Google SVN related to > the milestone 0.7.0) ? > I would provide an incremental dump to be applied on the initial import. > Please let me know. That would work fine, but would involve ASF infrastructure as well, and they are also time limited. If you or any one of the other guys on Apache Any23 want to spearhead it yourself, just create a JIRA issue here at the Any23 ASF JIRA to track the provenance, and then do the svn import yourself. You should have the necessary karma to do so and if not let me know. > > 2. All development of Apache Any23 should be occuring on the Apache > >> mailing lists, its SVN and through its issue tracker >> > > I will update the Jira issue tracker with any issue not yet migrated. Great. You have been doing a masterful job of staying involved in the Apache Any23 project Michele, great work. I'd also ask though that the others that are involved in Any23 (the Sindice folks above) -- those folks need to get involved here at Apache Any23 as well. The work shouldn't solely rest on you Michele -- who again I'll say -- have been doing a wonderful job and I appreciate it. We need others to step it up too. Lewis here is also doing a good job. We just need others to get on board too and some more diversity here. > > >> 3. All discussion and "approval" of any Any23 release post October 1, 2011 >> (Any23's acceptance into the Incubator) and post Software Grant of >> the code to Apache should be happening as guided by the Apache Incubator >> PMC, by the Apache Any23 PPMC and as guided by the Apache Software >> Foundation guidelines. >> >> > The team will vote for the 0.7.0 release. Great, looking forward to it. > > >> I'll wait to hear back on these issues. But consider this an email from a >> concerned >> Apache mentor that we're not following the Apache guidelines here and that >> needs >> to change, immediately. >> > > What we expected was the opening of a discussion to minimize the impact of > migrating > our efforts within the Apache community, discussion that unfortunately has > never started. I'm not so sure of that? I think we've been discussing this since the inception of the lists, correct? See these threads in particular: http://s.apache.org/AIO http://s.apache.org/IQH http://s.apache.org/9Is And all of our monthly reports: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/October2011 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2011 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2011 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2012 What else did you think was supposed to be discussed, specifically, that wasn't? Cheers, Chris ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: [email protected] WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
