Hi all, first of all thanks Michele and Lewis for your efforts and Chris for doing your role of champion and mentor much better than me so far :)
I think Chris clarified things well and I agree with his points, especially the project needs all the committers to get up to speed here so if any of you feels like needing any clarifications and/or support on doing something then just let me know and I'll be happy to help out. By the way, I think that one thing that may be help users (especially when switching from GC to Apache) is having our website published; in fact incubator.apache.org/any23 is still "empty" while one thing that help us as PPMC members to let the project develop is a roadmap. My 2 cents. Tommaso 2012/1/7 Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <[email protected]> > Hi Michele, > > On Jan 7, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Michele Mostarda wrote: > > >> > >> > >> 1. Who are the Sindice team? > >> > > > > Giovanni Tummarello, Michele Mostarda, Davide Palmisano, Szymon > Danielczyk. > > Gotcha, thanks. > > > > > > >> 2. When was it agreed that they would or could even approve of > >> moving the code *after* the 0.7.0 release? > >> > > > > We didn't find an agreement, we continued developing on Any23 while > waiting > > for > > the initial code import on the Apache repository. > > Well the "we" here is important. The only one of those folks you listed > above > that I've seen make any effort towards the code import at the ASF has been > you. Hats > off to you. But things don't get done in Apache by waiting for things to > get done. > They get done by volunteers like yourself stepping it up and pushing for > stuff > to get done. I don't have a ton of time (or understanding) to do a lot of > the code > importing or development myself here, and that's fine, b/c what I do have > time > to do is to help you guys learn the Apache way and become familiar with the > community. That's the role I'm trying to play here as mentor and as > Champion > for the project at the Apache Software Foundation. But others in the Apache > Any23 community need to step up here too and do their work at the ASF. > > > > > The Any23 Incubation proposal was accepted when the 0.7.0 release was > ready > > at > > 60%, we didn't expect an instant freeze of the code base, out of a > > milestone. > > The Any23 (prior to Apache) team didn't have to freeze anything and it > probably > should have been better clarified where you guys were in terms of the code > base as part of your Incubator proposal. But regardless, once the proposal > was accepted in the Incubator there needed to be steps taken to start > getting the code to Apache. The process steps were taken (Software Code > Grant, etc.), but only recently over the past few months has there been > effort (led primarily by you and Daniel Shahaf by me minimally via my > nudging) > to get the code in to the ASF SVN. > > Even if the code wasn't fully imported yet, I would expect development > towards > any releases outside of Apache to stop -- it's just easier. Why develop in > both > places when nothing is stopping anyone from developing here at the ASF? If > there is something stopping anyone on the Any23 team, please speak up? > > > > > > >> It is my understanding that when you guys proposed for this to be > >> an Apache project, and when you filed a proposal to join the Incubator > >> that all of the parallel development at Google Code would stop, period. > >> > >> To be blunt: > >> > >> 1. There shouldn't be any parallel development release going on, or > >> code work going on at Google Code anymore. > >> > > > > Let's interrupt all the development on Any23. I will update the > > announcement, > > the 0.7.0 release will be done within the ASF. > > OK great, but I wouldn't characterize anything as an interrupt - > what are we interrupting by saying that the 0.7.0 release will > occur at the ASF? > > Are we not talking simply about: > > 1. updated link to where to download the release tarball from > 2. updated package names in the code > 3. updated docs on the website > > Correct? > > > > > What we have to do with the releases from r1548 (we imported on the ASF > SVN > > the revisions > > from r0 to 1547) to r1607 (the latest commit on the Google SVN related to > > the milestone 0.7.0) ? > > I would provide an incremental dump to be applied on the initial import. > > Please let me know. > > That would work fine, but would involve ASF infrastructure as well, and > they > are also time limited. If you or any one of the other guys on Apache Any23 > want to spearhead it yourself, just create a JIRA issue here at the Any23 > ASF JIRA to > track the provenance, and then do the svn import yourself. You should have > the necessary karma to do so and if not let me know. > > > > > 2. All development of Apache Any23 should be occuring on the Apache > > > >> mailing lists, its SVN and through its issue tracker > >> > > > > I will update the Jira issue tracker with any issue not yet migrated. > > Great. You have been doing a masterful job of staying involved in the > Apache Any23 project Michele, great work. I'd also ask though that the > others that are involved in Any23 (the Sindice folks above) -- those folks > need to get involved here at Apache Any23 as well. The work shouldn't > solely rest on you Michele -- who again I'll say -- have been doing a > wonderful job and I appreciate it. We need others to step it up too. Lewis > here is also doing a good job. We just need others to get on board too and > some more diversity here. > > > > > > >> 3. All discussion and "approval" of any Any23 release post October 1, > 2011 > >> (Any23's acceptance into the Incubator) and post Software Grant of > >> the code to Apache should be happening as guided by the Apache Incubator > >> PMC, by the Apache Any23 PPMC and as guided by the Apache Software > >> Foundation guidelines. > >> > >> > > The team will vote for the 0.7.0 release. > > Great, looking forward to it. > > > > > > >> I'll wait to hear back on these issues. But consider this an email from > a > >> concerned > >> Apache mentor that we're not following the Apache guidelines here and > that > >> needs > >> to change, immediately. > >> > > > > What we expected was the opening of a discussion to minimize the impact > of > > migrating > > our efforts within the Apache community, discussion that unfortunately > has > > never started. > > I'm not so sure of that? > > I think we've been discussing this since the inception of the lists, > correct? > See these threads in particular: > > http://s.apache.org/AIO > http://s.apache.org/IQH > http://s.apache.org/9Is > > And all of our monthly reports: > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/October2011 > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2011 > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2011 > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2012 > > What else did you think was supposed to be discussed, specifically, that > wasn't? > > Cheers, > Chris > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >
