It appears there is enough consternation about removing Windows support that I doubt figuring out how to run AOLserver on Windows sans the Windows-specific code in the codebase would result in having the Windows code removed anyway, so I am rescinding my suggestion that we find a way to do so.
/s. On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Frank Bergmann wrote: > Hi! > > > I believe that it is important to consider the current > phase of the "live cycle" of AOLserver in order to focus > the roadmap on the important stuff: > > - AOLserver is "mature" software, there were relatively > few changes in the last few years. There are very > large productive installations relying on AOLserver. > > - AOLserver is close to the end of it's live cycle, > because there are few new installations. Instead, > many users and projects have already migrated away > towards Apache etc. > > - New features will probably convince few additional > people to use AOLserver. > > - Instead, and that would be my conclusion, new versions > of AOLserver should reduce the migration pressure for > existing users and allow the existing user to extend > the lifetime of their installations. > > Would you agree with this assessment? Maybe we should have > a survey who is still using AOLserver really... > > > Concerning ]project-open[ (we had some 200.000 downloads on > SourceForge and there are some ~50 developers involved with > ]po[ in one form or another): > > - We have approx. 10x more ]project-open[ users running on > Windows then on Linux. I don't particularly like the Win > version, but removing this version will have a devasting > impact on ]po[. A VMware version is not a replacement for > a Windows installer. We are increasingly going for "stupid" > users, and these guys want a clean and easy installer for > their Win box. > > - I'm a personal fan of CygWin, and a CygWin version would > be OK for us even with 32bit. However, I believe there are > other users (Quest) who have customers asking for high- > performance Windows installations. Dropping a native > Win version might force Quest to migrate. > I can also imagine that the Windows platform will become > more important for our upcoming ]po[ V4.0 release because > we will target larger corporations who are typciallly > Windows shops in the US. > > - We are already hedging for an end of AOLserver live cycle: > www.openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=3637561 > It will be painful, but I believe it will come some day. > Please don't accellerate this moment unnecessarily... > > > Cheers! > Frank > > --- > Frank Bergmann > Dipl.-Ing., MBA > Founder ]project-open[ > Tel: +34 933 250 914 > Cell: +34 609 953 751 > Fax: +34 932 890 729 > mailto:frank.bergm...@project-open.com > http://www.project-open.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maurizio Martignano [mailto:maurizio.martign...@spazioit.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:56 AM > To: aolserver-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [AOLSERVER] Windows Support > > Dear all, > I do not think that removing Windows specific code is a good idea. > Some time ago I showed as example how many people have downloaded > ]project-open[ on Windows as opposed to the VM, or the tar ball. > In case you do not remember the numbers, please have a look at this URL: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/project-open/files/project-open/ > > The idea of using some kind of emulation is also questionable. Why? > Suppose we want to have Aolserver on Windows , then the emulation layer > would impose unacceptable inefficiencies. Here we are not talking about > using some emulation layer to run some ancillary programs, called every now > and then (e.g. dot, wget, and so on), but Aolserver itself (i.e. nsd), the > very heart of every OpenACS based web application. > The same type or reasoning applies to the database engine (e.g. postgresql), > it would be a major error running it on some emulation layer. > > What is the current status of these emulation layers? > > I know everybody is thinking about Cygwin... But Cygwin is, at the time > being only a Win32 application. > > Nowadays all the servers are 64 bit machines. Soon the same will be for > desktop and laptop computers. With Cygwin on 64 bit Windows machine we have > double emulation: > > Linux/Unix Application > ----------------------------- > Cygwin/ Posix emulation > ----------------------------- > WOW64/ Win32 emulation (this is Windows 32 emulated on Windows 64) > ----------------------------- > Windows 64 > > I can’t see any sign of Cygwin moving towards Windows 64. Last year in > summer there was an interesting discussion about that > (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin.devel/233/focus=247) but nothing > happened because the effort is too big and nobody had enough energy to spend > on it. > > For how long will WOW64 be supported by Microsoft? It is already an option > in the core part of Windows Server 2008 R2 > (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd371790%28v=vs.85%29.aspx). > > MingGW can now compile for Windows 64 but it lacks the Posix emulation > available in Cygwin. > > Another (kind of emulation) solution would be compiling Aolserver with > Visual Studio 2010 (or 2012) + SUA SDK (Utilities and SDK for Subsystem for > UNIX-based Applications) (these two build both in 32 and 64). I am sure very > few people know about this possibility. > > > So what are the feasible options? > I believe there are only two (well three) options: > 1. we maintain the Windows code inside Aolserver (I favour this) 2. we > compile Unix only code via the SUA SDK 3. we forget about Windows and we use > real emulation, that is a VM running Linux > > But how many people are willing to download a VM of 1.5 GB or so just to > test a system? > A Windows installer of 150MB or so is much, much more attractive. Later on, > if they are happy with the system, people can stick to Windows or use Linux > for production. > > What do you think? > Maurizio > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wolfgang Winkler [mailto:wolfgang.wink...@digital-concepts.com] > Sent: 27 September 2012 09:11 > To: aolserver-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [AOLSERVER] TCL websockets Implementation > > Hi! > > I've cleaned up our websockets code a bit (ah, the joy of it), it should run > now on a basic AOLserver install. Where should I post it? > > Wolfgang > > -- > digital concepts OG > Software & Design > Landstrasse 68 / 5. Stock > A - 4020 Linz > > Büro: +43 732 99711772 > Mobil: +43 699 19971172 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Everyone hates slow websites. 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