Ara he pogut provar el fitxer rlx d'apertium-cat i pareix que va bé.

Per a "van cantar", el resultat anterior era ambigu:

^van/anar<vblex><pri><p3><pl>/vanar<vblex><pri><p1><sg>$
^cantar/cantar<vblex><inf>$

Ara, en canvi, és correcte:

^van/anar<vblex><pri><p3><pl>$ ^cantar/cantar<vblex><inf>$


2017-03-03 6:17 GMT+01:00 Hèctor Alòs i Font <[email protected]>:

> Hola Joan,
>
> Ho he posat en desenvolupament, és a dir en el directori apertium-cat que
> hi al repositori. En el web no es veurà fins que pugem una nova versió i
> aquesta, és clar, haurà de tenir en compte les formes balears. Sense formes
> balears no hi ha ambigüitat per a resoldre.
>
> Hèctor
>
> El dia 28 de febrer de 2017 a les 22:37, Joan Moratinos Jaume <
> [email protected]> ha escrit:
>
>> La versió d'apertium.org no reconeix les formes amb desinència 0. Per
>> tant "van" només pot ser interpretat com una forma de "anar". Crec que, per
>> tant, no resol l'ambigüitat.
>>
>> 2017-02-28 14:41 GMT+01:00 Hèctor Alòs i Font <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> Joan,
>>> Diria que anar/vanar ja està resolt. Si hi ha problemes, avisa'm.
>>> He aprofitat també per afegir algunes regles per a voler/volar,
>>> poder/podar, creure/creuar (http://www.vilaweb.cat/notici
>>> es/una-reforma-ortografica-impropia-de-lera-digital/).
>>> Cordialment,
>>> Hèctor
>>>
>>>
>>> El dia 28 de febrer de 2017 a les 13:05, Joan Moratinos Jaume <
>>> [email protected]> ha escrit:
>>>
>>>> Jo mateix ho puc provar. Tanmateix, moltes d'aquestes formes de PRI1
>>>> donen problemes.
>>>>
>>>> 2017-02-28 10:59 GMT+01:00 Hèctor Alòs i Font <[email protected]>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hola Joan,
>>>>> Jo potser sóc purista, però prefereixo no eliminar paraules si,
>>>>> aparentment, el problema es pot solucionar fàcilment d'altres maneres.
>>>>> Quant a "vanar", en primer lloc, si no m'erro, el verb és "vanar-se" i, a
>>>>> més, no és un verb que pugui anar seguit d'infinitiu, sinó que hom es vana
>>>>> d'una cosa o de fer una cosa. Amb una simple regla de CG a apertium-cat es
>>>>> pot triar el verb "anar" en comptes de "vanar" si va seguit d'infinitiu.
>>>>> Això hauria de solucionar el problema. Si vols ja la faig jo, però no 
>>>>> estic
>>>>> segur de saber provar-la.
>>>>> Hèctor
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-02-28 11:31 GMT+03:00 Joan Moratinos Jaume <[email protected]>
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pel que veig mentre vaig afegint la versió baleàrica, els problemes
>>>>>> vénen sobretot de formes com "record" (pri de "recordar"), que es 
>>>>>> trepitja
>>>>>> amb el nom. Supòs que, a la pràctica, no seria gaire greu fer que es
>>>>>> generassin però no s'analitzassin. Crec que, almenys per aquestes illes, 
>>>>>> es
>>>>>> fa servir molt més CAT com a llengua de destinació que com a llengua
>>>>>> d'origen en el traductor.
>>>>>> Per exemple, quan "van" és interpretat com una forma de "vanar" es
>>>>>> trenquen traduccions tan simples com "Van arribar." En aquest cas, potser
>>>>>> seria més bona idea suprimir "vanar" (un verb inaudit per aquí) de la
>>>>>> versió baleàrica.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27 February 2017 at 11:42, Hèctor Alòs i Font <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hola Sergio,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El canvi no m'afecta i sembla útil. Només voldria comentar que
>>>>>>> l'exemple que poses d'escombra i granera és exactament a l'inrevés.
>>>>>>> "Granera" és la forma típica dels parlars occidentals i balears, mentre 
>>>>>>> que
>>>>>>> "escombra" és la forma habitual en central i septentrional. No sé quina
>>>>>>> forma es tria per generar en l'"estàndard" perquè qualsevol de les dues 
>>>>>>> és
>>>>>>> bona, però "granera" és la bona per al valencià i balear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cordialment,
>>>>>>> Hèctor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-02-24 19:54 GMT+03:00 Sergio Ortiz Rojas <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m going to complete a bit the variant functionality of lt-comp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. We want to have the possibility to mark an entry with more than
>>>>>>>> one variant simultaneously. In XML, the way to go is to define the
>>>>>>>> attribute as NMTOKEN, and define variants as identifiers, 
>>>>>>>> space-separated
>>>>>>>> in the v attribute. So where now you need to do:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <e v=“valencian”><i>escombra</i><par n=“casa”/></e>
>>>>>>>> <e v=“balearic”><i>escombra</i><par n=“casa”/></e>
>>>>>>>> <e><i>granera</i><par n=“casa/></e>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After the modification is done, you will be able to do as well:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <e v=“valencian balearic”><i>escombra</i><par n=“casa”/></e>
>>>>>>>> <e><i>granera</i><par n=“casa/></e>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you can compile lt-comp -v (-vr, -vl) whatever variant and it
>>>>>>>> should work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. And other minor change. As you know, we tend to accept (LR)
>>>>>>>> everything from every variant, but generate (RL) just one variant, the 
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> we specify. But some variants create problems (i.e. Balearic variant
>>>>>>>> generates a lot of additional homography in standard and valencian 
>>>>>>>> Catalan,
>>>>>>>> and this problem has caused its exclusion historically in Apertium), 
>>>>>>>> so I
>>>>>>>> want to add a —exclude-variant option in lt-comp to forbid explicitly
>>>>>>>> variants that we don’t want even to analyze. The exclusion will be
>>>>>>>> nondestructive, so if the entry belongs to more than one variant and at
>>>>>>>> least one of them is not excluded, it will be included at least as 
>>>>>>>> analysis
>>>>>>>> (LR).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any suggestion/piece of advice?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sergio
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