Also, can we remove the need for PMC sponsorship for getting voting rights? IMO, just contributing should be enough.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:07 PM Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Basically, the PMC can do almost anything, therefore, they could remove > committers for no good reason, abuse the Web space, etc. > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:03 PM Tanmai Khanna <khanna.tan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I have to ask, what kind of abuse of power do you have in mind? >> >> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 8:15 AM Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> That way, we don't have to complicate things now. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:44 PM Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Another possibility is to allow the Assembly to amend the bylaws >>>> without involving the PMC, so we can handle abuse of power when and if it >>>> happens. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:34 PM Xavi Ivars <xavi.iv...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Honestly, this seems like to me overcomplicating things a lot. >>>>> >>>>> It is true that the bylaws need to account for things that may happen, >>>>> but in the 15 years that Apertium has existed as a project, I have never >>>>> seen any abuse of power, and trying to solve for problems that simply >>>>> don't >>>>> exist I think is even counterproductive. >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn't really focus too much on that. >>>>> -- >>>>> Xavi Ivars >>>>> < http://xavi.ivars.me > >>>>> >>>>> El dc., 29 d’abr. 2020, 18:56, Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com> >>>>> va escriure: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay. Maybe at least have a group appointed by the PMC and confirmed >>>>>> by the Assembly that at least has the power to interpret the bylaws? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:07 AM Tino Didriksen < >>>>>> m...@tinodidriksen.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Any such secondary group would in practice be equally powerful as >>>>>>> the PMC, because they would need admin access to execute the auditing >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> suspension. But because they would not be responsible for day-to-day >>>>>>> operations, they wouldn't be active to even spot patterns of abuse. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So it would still be the PMC discovering something that needs to be >>>>>>> acted on immediately, and needing to consult another slow and >>>>>>> potentially >>>>>>> offline party. It just doesn't work in practice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On top of that, it would further complicate elections. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recognize you want the three estates, but it's not practical. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Tino Didriksen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 15:49, Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not suggesting the Assembly immediately do it. I am suggesting >>>>>>>> that at the time of each PMC election, the Assembly elect a separate >>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>> that would handle removals. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:50 AM Tino Didriksen < >>>>>>>> m...@tinodidriksen.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:27, Samuel Sloniker < >>>>>>>>> scoopgra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Again, I believe the PMC should not be involved in removing >>>>>>>>>> Committer access, even temporarily. I think a separate elected group >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>> do that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That simply can't work. If someone is actively abusing their >>>>>>>>> access or got hacked, we need to be able to immediately revoke access. >>>>>>>>> Requiring asking the Assembly up front is far too slow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Tino Didriksen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>>>>>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>>>>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>>>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Khanna, Tanmai* >> _______________________________________________ >> Apertium-stuff mailing list >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >> >
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