Basically, the PMC can do almost anything, therefore, they could remove committers for no good reason, abuse the Web space, etc.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:03 PM Tanmai Khanna <khanna.tan...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have to ask, what kind of abuse of power do you have in mind? > > On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 8:15 AM Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> That way, we don't have to complicate things now. >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:44 PM Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Another possibility is to allow the Assembly to amend the bylaws without >>> involving the PMC, so we can handle abuse of power when and if it happens. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:34 PM Xavi Ivars <xavi.iv...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Honestly, this seems like to me overcomplicating things a lot. >>>> >>>> It is true that the bylaws need to account for things that may happen, >>>> but in the 15 years that Apertium has existed as a project, I have never >>>> seen any abuse of power, and trying to solve for problems that simply don't >>>> exist I think is even counterproductive. >>>> >>>> I wouldn't really focus too much on that. >>>> -- >>>> Xavi Ivars >>>> < http://xavi.ivars.me > >>>> >>>> El dc., 29 d’abr. 2020, 18:56, Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com> >>>> va escriure: >>>> >>>>> Okay. Maybe at least have a group appointed by the PMC and confirmed >>>>> by the Assembly that at least has the power to interpret the bylaws? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:07 AM Tino Didriksen <m...@tinodidriksen.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Any such secondary group would in practice be equally powerful as the >>>>>> PMC, because they would need admin access to execute the auditing and >>>>>> suspension. But because they would not be responsible for day-to-day >>>>>> operations, they wouldn't be active to even spot patterns of abuse. >>>>>> >>>>>> So it would still be the PMC discovering something that needs to be >>>>>> acted on immediately, and needing to consult another slow and potentially >>>>>> offline party. It just doesn't work in practice. >>>>>> >>>>>> On top of that, it would further complicate elections. >>>>>> >>>>>> I recognize you want the three estates, but it's not practical. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Tino Didriksen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 15:49, Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not suggesting the Assembly immediately do it. I am suggesting >>>>>>> that at the time of each PMC election, the Assembly elect a separate >>>>>>> group >>>>>>> that would handle removals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:50 AM Tino Didriksen < >>>>>>> m...@tinodidriksen.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:27, Samuel Sloniker < >>>>>>>> scoopgra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Again, I believe the PMC should not be involved in removing >>>>>>>>> Committer access, even temporarily. I think a separate elected group >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> do that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That simply can't work. If someone is actively abusing their access >>>>>>>> or got hacked, we need to be able to immediately revoke access. >>>>>>>> Requiring >>>>>>>> asking the Assembly up front is far too slow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Tino Didriksen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>>>>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>>>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Apertium-stuff mailing list >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >> > > > -- > *Khanna, Tanmai* > _______________________________________________ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >
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