Dear Folks,

There are many aspects of this three-weekly-sprays-yearly approach to blight 
management to address, but here are some key points:

1.  Yes, fire blight is a difficult disease to control.  It isn't always easy 
to identify every infection period, except when looking back at the weather.  
However, it has been my experience that is possible to properly identify the 
more obvious infection periods that lead to wide-spread damage, or severe 
problems in a specific orchard.  At times, we predict a significant period of 
high risk in the future that doesn't pan out due to cooler than predicted 
weather.  But it has been very easy to see the actual significant infection 
periods that happened over the past 20 years in the Pacific Northwest.  
Sometimes you don't even need a model, the infection risk is obvious to any 
alert grower.  Three or four+ days in the high 70's or 80's F while the trees 
are blooming, followed by rain or dew?  Who needs a model for that?  These "way 
too complicated" models have been designed for growers that care enough to try 
to make informed choices.         

2.  People who take the time to understand a problem (such as fire blight) are 
more likely to avoid it. That doesn't mean that you won't have fire blight if 
you understand it, just that you might avoid a serious outbreak on the 
infrequent bad years.  We see this often.  The growers who spray on time may 
misjudge the need to spray once in a while, but they usually avoid serious 
blight on the bad years.  

3.  Blight happens almost everywhere where the pathogen has spread, but it 
occurs infrequently, which is a problem.  If you are in an area where it 
happens once or twice a decade, it is difficult to stay tuned in every year.  
It's a great pathogen, and we are growing susceptible hosts, some much more 
susceptible than others, but no apple or pear is more than tolerant.

4.  Spraying on a fixed schedule every season is a waste of a rare resource.  
It is possible that a scheduled blight spray would be applied by chance at a 
correct time, but why avoid choosing the high risk period as a better time for 
treatment?      

5.  It is almost impossible to gain agricultural registration for a truly 
effective antibiotic, and very few candidate materials exist.  We are not 
allowed to test products that have significant importance in either human or 
animal health, which greatly reduces alternatives.  We have streptomycin, which 
is (or was) the best product ever for fire blight control; oxytetracycline, 
which works for us out here in the Pacific Northwest, but is panned everywhere 
else; Gentamycin (how you got that special label in Michigan!?  Good work, 
George!), and Kasugamycin, which may gain a USA label, but we shall see.  All 
of these, except oxytet., have a real risk of rapid loss of effectiveness due 
to bacterial development of resistance.  Within most populations of Erwinia 
amylovora, scientists can identify a few bacteria resistant to these 
antibiotics (except oxytet.)  Willy-nilly application of the product just 
speeds up the process of selecting out those resistant individuals, allowing 
them to dominate the colony. We need to have more than one fire blight control 
material, so that we can try to help growers rotate product use.  The EPA and 
The Centers for Disease Control would rather that we had no antibiotics 
available, so we compromise by having only one effective product for any 
specific area.

6.  Primary infection occurs through open flowers.  The pathogen seems to have 
adapted to that, so is rarely found outside of the dormant tree, and is unusual 
until just prior to blossom time.  Even if the canker "wakes up" prior to 
blossom opening, the streptomycin does not act like some sort of antiseptic, 
sterilizing the tree.  Even copper, which has a more direct action on the 
bacteria, is often questionable as a pre-bloom treatment.  We do not expect 
antibiotics to do anything other than control of blossom infection.  You are 
wasting your time and money applying antibiotics unless your target is a flower 
at risk.  Applying an antibiotic more than 24 hours after an infection event 
has been a common mistake.
  
7. I have never documented a blight outbreak where infection was initiated 
during a period of cool weather, however wet.  If this was possible, why don't 
we see blight everywhere, every year?  
        
Timothy J. Smith
WSU Extension, 
Chelan, Douglas & Okanogan Counties 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
George M. Greene
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:31 PM
To: Apple-Crop
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Fire Blight

David:

Spraying Strep 3 times a year does not sound like modern IPM based pest 
control.  May I suggest that you, instead of spraying so much, hire a 
consultant with money that you would have spent on Strep.

Also, I'll let a plant pathologist respond but I'm wondering if excessive use 
of Strep will eventually result in Strep resistant fire blight organisms.

George Greene

>Hello everyone,
>I have had a nasty recurrence of fireblight this year. I was trying to 
>"cheat" the disease. There was no rain and no warm temperatures during 
>bloom. Nevertheless, it snuck in on me probably from dew and moderate 
>temperatures. I cannot believe the models. It is way too complicated to 
>follow the models and pump in the facts especially during that busy 
>season.
>Believe me, -  I will never let this happen again. In the future I am 
>going to inoculate the orchard with strep during pre-bloom, bloom and 
>post-bloom period, no matter what the forecast is to be.
>My Dad said that when he had his orchard in Arkansas, - everyone had 
>fireblight problems, - except him. He just went out and sprayed strep 
>every week (or less). Now that is a warm, humid climate. He said that 
>if he observed some strep toxicity (white mottling of the young leaves) 
>he knew the trees were protected.
>
>David Barclay
>169 County Rd. East
>Colts Neck, New Jersey 07722
>
>Phone: 732-544-9035
>Fax: 732-542-7855

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George M. Greene II
68 Willow Lane
Wiscasset, ME 04578
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
207-882-8074     



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