A few more comments concerning my observations on fire blight that may help to answer some questions (or perhaps to muddy the water). As I indicated in my first post, it is VERY, VERY difficult to make any broad generalizations about fire blight that apply to all cultivars/years/locations. The following comments are based on my observations in eastern NY. If the observations/conclusions below conflict with what others know to be true, I'd be happy to take the corrections. 1. So far as I know, there is still open debate about whether or not fire blight bacteria can actually over-winter in symptomless tissue and then initiate disease again the following year. There are situations where I believe that scenario must have happened (e.g., nursery trees that come down with blight the year that they are planted into the orchard). However, infection of newly planted trees occurs infrequently. When it does occur, it often results from infections of the blossoms that developed later in the season than flowers on established trees due to the transplant shock in the newly planted trees. Finally, even where there is no blossom blight in newly planted trees that develop blight, there is always the possibility that the blight actually survived in small cankers that were overlooked during grading of nursery trees and subsequent planting of the orchard. 2. We know that fire blight bacteria can move through trunks of young trees and initiate rootstock blight in susceptible rootstocks such as M.9 and M.26. However, I'm not aware of any evidence that the bacteria can actually overwinter in the symptomless trunk tissue and then cause disease the next spring. 3. Even where visible limb cankers exist, the literature indicates that bacteria survive winter in only a very small proportion of the cankers (without looking it up, was it about 10-15% of cankers?). Thus, not every infection, even when it results in a canker that is left in the tree, results in overwintering inoculum, at least under conditions in NY and other cold-winter states. 4. I tend to agree that sterilizing clippers between cuts is not important, especially if cuts are made during dry weather. However, when blight showed up in my orchards the past two years (see below), we still sterilized clippers between cuts whenever feasible. 5. I think that Dr. Paul Steiner's recommendation of "ugly cuts" has merit. That is, when cutting back a blighted branch, the cuts should be made between nodes on straight sections of branches or at least 3-4 inches out from subtending limbs (if possible) so that the end of the cut that is left on the tree will have no growing points and therefore will dry out and die back. These cuts are horticulturally incorrect cuts, but they ensure that bacteria left on the pruning stub will end up in tissue that is not conducive for bacterial growth. 6. The answer to the question of how far below the infections one must cut to remove infected tissue is dependent on several other variables. Last summer, we purposely inoculated 210 two-yr old trees of Lady Apple (very blight susceptible) on MM.111 rootstock to study factors that might affect spread of fire blight to new shoots during summer. We inoculated shoots by simply misting a suspension of bacteria over the surface of the shoots on a warm rainy day (4 June 2008). The test trees had been pruned back to about 30 inches in height and had been purposely managed so that they had a forest of upright shoots (about 25/tree) that were about 10 inches long at the time of inoculation. We added high rates of nitrogen periodically through early July to keep the trees growing vigorously. The first symptoms of shoot blight (wilted shoot tips with slight orange discoloration in the leaf veins) was observed on 9 June. By 16 June roughly 60% of the shoots had developed infections. We pruned these shoots out as soon as we noted the infections (daily at first, then just Mon-Wed-Fri). Thus infections were removed just as the top 2-3 leaves were beginning to wilt and/or develop an orange mid-vein. In most cases we removed just 6 to 8 inches of the terminal shoot below the symptoms. We had very few cases where the cuts turned orange (as Alex observed) and where the branches therefore had to be cut a second time. In the course of the season, we pruned out a total of 2,707 blighted shoots from these 210 trees. In only about three of the 210 trees did the infection progress into the main trunk. CONCLUSIONS: If blighted shoots are removed during early phases of symptom expression, one can usually eliminate the infection by removing as little as 8 inches of shoot below the infection point, and even highly susceptible trees did not become systemically infected under conditions of our 2008 trial . Most growers do not detect blight until infections have progress much further than we allowed in our trial, so the general recommendation of attempting to cut at least 18 inches below visibly damaged tissue is probably wise. We also noted that the probability of having blight show up on old cuts (i.e., we got orange stubs and had to make a second cut a week or two after the first cut) seemed to increase as the season progressed, but I can't be certain about that. 7. How far below visible infections a cut must be made will depend on how long the infection has existed in the tree, on the vigor and cultivar of the tree, and on the time that cuts are being made. Blight bacterial will travel downward further and faster in immature and vigorous trees than in mature trees with a full crop load. Secondary infections that show up on shoots in late June when terminals shoots have almost stopped growing will not progress very far downward where as infections that occur earlier can very easily travel backward 6 to 8 feet in a vigorous tree if the infection is not removed in the early stages. Another example: in my previous 32 years on this research farm, we had only three previous instances where a small amount of blight occurred in our orchards. One was an introduction on nursery stock in 1986. One was a just three blighted twigs in one location about 1989, and the third incident was just two trees in the corner of a block in about 2004. We resolved the first two cases by just pruning out infections and the latter case by removing the two infected trees because they were full of blossom blight. In all 3 cases, we took preventive action the following spring (copper sprays at green tip followed by strep sprays applied according to MaryBlyt during bloom), and we never had any further problems. Incidentally, our orchards are set up with multi-tree plots for pesticide trials, and our cultivar mixes include such blight-susceptible cultivars as Ginger Gold, Jerseymac, Redcort, Honeycrisp, and Cameo, all on M.9 or M.26 rootstocks or M.9/MM.111 interstems. This spring we were not too concerned about the blight risk from last year's trial because that small research block of Lady Apples was in an isolated corner of the farm, we had pruned out all of the blight, and weather conditions during early bloom, while warm enough for blight, did not include rain or dew. Therefore we did not apply strep during early bloom. To my surprise, we ended up with a moderate amount of blossom blight (perhaps 2 to 10 strikes per tree) spread across every planting on our 20 acre research farm except for the Lady Apple block which had no few blossoms. There was no apparent gradient of infection, and we have no way of knowing if our blight this year originated in some unknown way from the inoculum that we applied last year or whether it originated from some other independent source. The latter seems unlikely, however, given that we never had wide-spread blight on the farm in 32 previous years, and given that in many previous years we applied no strep at all even when MaryBlyt suggested environmental conditions favored infections because we believed (correctly up until this year) that no inoculum was present in our area. Because of the long bloom period we had in 2009, the fact that our plots have both early-bloom and late-blooming cultivars, and the fact that initial infections occurred early during bloom of the earliest cultivars, we were able to see the first blossom blight symptoms about the time the late-blooming cultivars (e.g., Golden Delicious) were at petal fall. At that time the early cultivars still had some bloom on first year wood. We immediately treated the whole farm with strep and include Apogee in some blocks. We also cut blight 3 times/week for about 4 weeks and applied one more strep spray ahead of a prediction for a hail-bearing thunderstorm in early June. Ultimately, we had to remove major limbs in only a few trees on the farm. Thus, pruning out blight (with help from foliar sprays of strep and Apogee) was effective for arresting a blight epidemic that, had we ignored it, might have destroyed many trees in our orchards. And it is worth noting that we had the wettest June on record with about 9 inches of rain to spread the bacteria to new shoots. CONCLUSION: early intervention via pruning (and perhaps Apogee if it can be applied near petal fall) can arrest blight on trees that had just a few strikes per tree. However, I agree with Debbie Breth's earlier post that trees with extensive blossom blight will either need to be removed (if there is just a few trees in a block) or ignored until winter pruning. Finally, I close this overly long discussion of blight by re-stating that fire blight control strategies must be fine-tuned for every individual situation. It is very difficult to provide blanket recommendations that can be applied across diverse geographic regions.

Alex wrote:

My focus is on breeding, not commercial production, so I have about 80 apple trees with 450 varieties of apples. Because of our unique climate (largely freeze free yet high chill) we can grow a very large number of apples from low chill to high chill, and create interesting crosses.

I am deeply concerned about fireblight in my orchard, given the large # of varieties, I have to be very careful and try to keep the orchard free of any potential vectors. We are not in a firebight prone area, since our late Springs are very cool and dry with night time temperatures well below 55F all the way into late June, this year was an exception, and a number of local growers experienced fireblight outbreaks due to a single week of warm and drizzly weather with night time temperatures in the 60's.

The main thing I have learned from various off-line discussions is that the antibiotic coating is a waste of time, of course, except that it was useful for my experiment in that it demonstrated to me that the re-infection was coming from inside the tree. So now I understand that once fireblight has infected a tree, the fireblight bacteria is systemic in the cambium even if the tree shows no more signs of infection. Some of the articles I read suggest that the bacteria can travel some 5-6 feet below visible infection sites.


So this leaves me with a number of questions:

1) How is it then that fireblight doesn't re-appear the next year given that the only control is to cut out visible infection in the Summer, cankers in the Winter, and blossom sprays + growth inhibitors in the Spring?

2) Doesn't cambium with high carbohydrate content inhibit bacteria growth?

3) what is the scientific method for detecting the bacteria? Microscope?

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