To get through a gravelly hard pan, we have generally waited until after 
significant rainfall, failing that, if we have trickle irrigation, we run it to 
saturate the soil when we are pounding in posts.

Chris Hedges
Waterford, Ontario
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Kelly 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:14 PM
  Subject: Apple-Crop: trellis posts


  Does anyone have any experience or suggestions for pounding or setting line 
posts for a tree support system into hard-pan?  We have 24-30 inches of soil 
and then hard-pan.  Some years ago we tried to auger in posts and had great 
difficulty penetrating the hard-pan.  I'm feeling the posts should go in at 
least 36 inches with 8-9 ft above ground.  We have been using Best Angle stakes 
but I'm hearing they aren't that long lived due to rust and bending.

  Art Kelly
  Kelly Orchards
  Acton, ME

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