Thanks Chris, we'll give it a try.

Art Kelly

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Chris Hedges <[email protected]> wrote:

>  To get through a gravelly hard pan, we have generally waited until after
> significant rainfall, failing that, if we have trickle irrigation, we run it
> to saturate the soil when we are pounding in posts.
>
> Chris Hedges
> Waterford, Ontario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Arthur Kelly <[email protected]>
> *To:* Apple-Crop <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:14 PM
> *Subject:* Apple-Crop: trellis posts
>
> Does anyone have any experience or suggestions for pounding or setting line
> posts for a tree support system into hard-pan?  We have 24-30 inches of soil
> and then hard-pan.  Some years ago we tried to auger in posts and had great
> difficulty penetrating the hard-pan.  I'm feeling the posts should go in at
> least 36 inches with 8-9 ft above ground.  We have been using Best Angle
> stakes but I'm hearing they aren't that long lived due to rust and bending.
>
> Art Kelly
> Kelly Orchards
> Acton, ME
>
>

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