Michael, How much damage to the trees do you have do to children? (and careless adults)
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Michael Vaughn <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a Tall Spindle Orchard (PYO) in the Endless Mts. of Northern > Pennsylvania about 1/2hr south of Binghamton, NY. The planting is in its > 6th year; 3ft spacing with 13 ft between rows, approx. 3 acres. The > rootstock is Bud 9 and M-9 depending on the variety. Real easy to prune > and maintain. Minimum to NO ladders except at the 10Ft + height as the > trees matured. My best customers are > families with children under 15 yrs. because they can all reach 80% of > the fruit. > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Kevin Hauser <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> This photo is at a PYO in Massachusetts not far from Belchertown that has >> nice-sized trees for pedestrian picking, with the highest apples within >> kid-sitting-on-the-shoulder's reach. Marty is 5'2" and so you can see the >> scale. The clerk didn't know the rootstock, but my guess is something >> smaller than Bud. 9 or M9. >> >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100097230/PYO%20Mass.JPG >> >> Kevin Hauser >> Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery >> Riverside, California >> Nakifuma, Uganda >> >> On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:29:24 -0400, Arthur Kelly <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Maximum yield isn't necessarily the same thing as maximum sales. In my >> > opinion, the selling is more important than anything else. Yes, good >> > yields of good quality fruit is important, but being good at selling and >> > how much you are able to get for what you have to sell trumps everything >> > else. If you are able to sell for $40.00/bu what needs to happen to get >> > that price in terms of customer experience is the priority. >> > >> > p.s. No, we are not able to get that much but there are farms in the >> area >> > that do. We still wholesale a large percentage of the crop. >> > >> > Art Kelly >> > Kelly Orchards >> > Acton, Maine >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:13 PM, David Doud <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> not an expert here, but it's my understanding in a spindle system the >> >> space between trees in the row is determined by what renewal pruning >> will >> >> fill and that much over 3' between trees in most situations would >> require >> >> permanent woody architecture to keep the space filled, which brings >> about >> >> several horticultural challenges - >> >> >> >> then the space between rows versus the height of the trees becomes a >> >> calculation to maximize yield - >> >> >> >> in a you-pick situation I'd suggest that maximum yield would be a >> >> secondary consideration to logistics - that wider rows and shorter >> trees >> >> for convenience and safety would override a certain percentage of >> maximum >> >> theoretical yield - >> >> >> >> I shudder to consider what strategies the public might employ to >> harvest >> >> that beautiful apple just out of their reach... >> >> >> >> if my understanding is incorrect, feel free to challenge - >> >> >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 3, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Matt Pellerin wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks for the responses. I was thinking of going to a 10 x 3 orchard >> >> growing Honeycrisp on M26 and Macoun on Bud 9. I think the 10 x 3 >> >> spacing >> >> puts the tree height at 8.5' which will work pretty well for >> >> pick-your-own. >> >> On this kind of spacing, will I still be within the Tall Spindle >> >> category? >> >> Will I have to make adjustments in my pruning methodology or will the >> >> typical tall spindle pruning and training recommendations work? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Matt >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:26 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I concur with Dennis' evaluation of Dr. Robinson's videos; this system >> >>> has >> >>> forced even stubborn high-chill varieties to transition from >> vegetative >> >>> mode to fruiting mode in hot climates and the tropics. >> >>> >> >>> I wanted to address Matthew's desire to keep the trees around 6' tall. >> >>> This sounds like it would take a very dwarfing rootstock like M27; do >> >>> any >> >>> of our growers have experience training these as tall spindle? >> >>> >> >>> Kevin Hauser >> >>> Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery >> >>> Riverside, California >> >>> Nakifuma, Uganda >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2014 00:23:19 -0500, <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > matthew, >> >>> > >> >>> > We have been growing tall spindle in northern Illinois in a >> >>> pick-your-own >> >>> > orchard for around 5 or 6 years now. The system has been improving >> >>> > over >> >>> > the years and currently the newer spacing being recommended by Dr. >> >>> Terence >> >>> > Robinson >> >>> > from Cornell is around 12' x 3'. I highly recommend watching the >> >>> > videos >> >>> > at YouTube he did at the Winter Apple School in Henderson County, NC >> >>> found >> >>> > at http://youtu.be/gJF4wLgXnK8 >> >>> > >> >>> > After viewing this video and others on the BRCC TV - The Educational >> >>> > Channel on YouTube covering the Tall Spindle System, we will be >> making >> >>> the >> >>> > recommended changes to our current system of 14' x 4'. >> >>> > >> >>> > Hope this helps. >> >>> > >> >>> > Dennis Norton >> >>> > IPM Specialist/Certified Nurseryman >> >>> > Royal Oak Farm Orchard >> >>> > 15908 Hebron Rd. >> >>> > Harvard, IL 60033-9357 >> >>> > Office (815) 648-4467 >> >>> > Mobile (815) 228-2174 >> >>> > Fax (609) 228-2174 >> >>> > http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com >> >>> > http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.blogspot.com >> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> > From: Matt Pellerin >> >>> > To: [email protected] >> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 2:55 PM >> >>> > Subject: [apple-crop] Narrow Tall Spindle Layout >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > I am a grower in central Maine that operates a pick-your-own >> >>> > orchard. >> >>> I >> >>> > will be planting a tall spindle orchard next year. I would like >> to >> >>> plant >> >>> > the rows as narrow as possible in combination with shorter trees >> so >> >>> the >> >>> > customers can reach more of the fruit. My orchard tractor is 54" >> >>> wide. >> >>> > How narrow can I plant my tall spindle orchard with this >> equipment? >> >>> > Also, what would be the appropriate tree height at the narrow row >> >>> > spacing? >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Thanks, >> >>> > -- >> >>> > >> >>> > Matthew Pellerin >> >>> > Agricultural Manager >> >>> > Treworgy Family Orchards >> >>> > 3876 Union St >> >>> > Levant, ME 04456 >> >>> > >> >>> > www.treworgyorchards.com >> >>> > >> >>> > 207-884-8354 >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > apple-crop mailing list >> >>> > [email protected] >> >>> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> apple-crop mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Matthew Pellerin >> >> Agricultural Manager >> >> Treworgy Family Orchards >> >> 3876 Union St >> >> Levant, ME 04456 >> >> www.treworgyorchards.com >> >> 207-884-8354 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> apple-crop mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> apple-crop mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kevin Hauser >> _______________________________________________ >> apple-crop mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> > > > > -- > Michael D. 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